Do I need a High Stall Torque Converter? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Sales@Phastek · 10-26-2023, 12:03 PM

After installing a performance camshaft. Will I need to install a higher stall torque converter.
At what point will I need a High Stall Torque Converter.
Typically any Camshaft bigger that a Stage 1 will require a higher stall torque converter.

What cam did you install and what stall did you go with?

What brand of Torque Converter did you go with?

Let us know! Thanks CAM5!

-Mike

1JEWLDSSRS · 10-26-2023, 12:59 PM

My cam is the TSP 231/246-112 LSA, 614/641 lift with all the valve train to go with it.

Original converter was a Precision Industries 3200 single disc lockup converter, wasn't enough for my power band. So I went with this one per the advice of a forum member.

Circle D 5C single disc 4500 lockup converter. Way better performance for my power band which pulls real hard from 5k to 7200. Totally happy with it and for me, is also great for the street driving.

acutron42 · 10-26-2023, 03:40 PM

GPI SS3 VVT, Circle D single disc 4C 3800 & a great tune is a must.

pyroguy · 10-26-2023, 09:33 PM

While a stall is eventual for me, I'm actually running the factory stall with a BTR Stage 2 NA LS3 cam. No, I haven't unlocked the full potential of the cam by keeping the factory stall, but I got the chop I was after, a significant increase in power that I was also after, and my wife asked me not to race the car. So in the end I don't HAVE to have a stall for now, but it is a goal in the future for me. I'm looking at a 3200 Circle D.

morepowerjoe · 10-27-2023, 01:46 AM

I'm using the GPI SS3 VVT cam with a Circle D single disc 3600. It's like night and day difference between the factory torque converter and the circle d. I had the GPI SS1 VVT cam with the factory torque converter before and even with that much smaller of a cam I still should have went with a bigger stall because it always pushed through the brakes. I must say that I am truly impressed with the circle d 3600 because even with this GPI SS3 it doesn't push through the brakes at all now. But with all that said I don't have the lock up engaged until 55 mph in 6th gear because I would usually get bucking those figures. I will also say that with the right tuning the shifts are actually softer then the factory shifting until you get on the gas that is and then you can really feel it shift. I would definitely recommend this torque converter to anyone that needs a higher stall.

Sales@Phastek · 10-27-2023, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pyroguy

While a stall is eventual for me, I'm actually running the factory stall with a BTR Stage 2 NA LS3 cam. No, I haven't unlocked the full potential of the cam by keeping the factory stall, but I got the chop I was after, a significant increase in power that I was also after, and my wife asked me not to race the car. So in the end I don't HAVE to have a stall for now, but it is a goal in the future for me. I'm looking at a 3200 Circle D.

For more info and options on Circle D Torque Converters. Click the link.

*mlee* · 10-27-2023, 11:08 AM

Stall is one of the best bangs for your buck and something to add BEFORE you swap cams.

Ran mine for almost a year before the cam and it really helped at the track.

Bigdumogre · 10-27-2023, 11:29 AM

CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3

FTI triple disc convertor 3000 stall

Love the combo, idles great and leaves off the line hard. Never pushes through the brakes and only problem i have at times is when i brake hard it does stall. But that's because of the big cam.

1JEWLDSSRS · 10-27-2023, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlee

Stall is one of the best bangs for your buck and something to add BEFORE you swap cams.

Ran mine for almost a year before the cam and it really helped at the track.

So true! I watched a video on YT by one of the converter manufacturers, can't remember which one it was, but on the bone stock 2010 Camaro they tested with a 3200 stall, they were able to knock 0.5 tenths off the ET. That's pretty cool!

Modernmusclecar · 10-27-2023, 09:26 PM

629/604 custom grind from Cam Motion. First stall was 3200 Circle D base model
Went with 3800 Pro Series from Circle D....big difference.

pyroguy · 10-28-2023, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sales@Phastek

We have a great price on the Circle D Torque Converter.

I see what you did there!

Sales@Phastek · 10-30-2023, 09:46 AM

Thank you everyone for the feedback.

*mlee* · 10-30-2023, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1JEWLDSSRS

So true! I watched a video on YT by one of the converter manufacturers, can't remember which one it was, but on the bone stock 2010 Camaro they tested with a 3200 stall, they were able to knock 0.5 tenths off the ET. That's pretty cool!

That was exactly the result I had at the track...

Rarely does anyone do it in this order when adding a cam but the installs are two completely different operations so why not check out the stall 1st with stock cam instead of waiting until you "have" to do it.

Eddymel1998 · 10-30-2023, 04:08 PM

Aaaand now I'm looking at torque coverters, gonna blame all of you guys, the fruits on my money tree need some time to ripen, they're getting over picked.

So does changing the torque converter mess with how the gears are set electronically, would I be able to just plop it in or would I need to get it tuned so I don't damage the gearbox. End goal is a stage 2 vvt cam but I'm thinking in long term due to costs for all this stuff, so tune would happen eventually just maybe a year or two after the torque converter.

10-26-2023, 12:03 PM	#1
Sales@Phastek Drives: 2016 1SS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,817	Do I need a High Stall Torque Converter? After installing a performance camshaft. Will I need to install a higher stall torque converter. At what point will I need a High Stall Torque Converter. Typically any Camshaft bigger that a Stage 1 will require a higher stall torque converter. What cam did you install and what stall did you go with? What brand of Torque Converter did you go with? Let us know! Thanks CAM5! -Mike __________________ Last edited by Sales@Phastek; 10-26-2023 at 02:34 PM. Reason: changing the title

10-26-2023, 12:59 PM	#2
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,442	My cam is the TSP 231/246-112 LSA, 614/641 lift with all the valve train to go with it. Original converter was a Precision Industries 3200 single disc lockup converter, wasn't enough for my power band. So I went with this one per the advice of a forum member. Circle D 5C single disc 4500 lockup converter. Way better performance for my power band which pulls real hard from 5k to 7200. Totally happy with it and for me, is also great for the street driving. __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.

10-26-2023, 03:40 PM	#3
acutron42 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS AGM Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: WNY Posts: 733	GPI SS3 VVT, Circle D single disc 4C 3800 & a great tune is a must. __________________ 2013 2SS GPI built & tuned 415, spec'd by Andrew Cammer. GPI ported intake/tb/heads, Tooley springs, CHE trunnions, Callies rotating assembly, Diamond pistons, GPI SS3 VVT, ATI 10% ud damper, Circle D 3800, Kooks ceramic coated lt's with green cats, Mishimoto rad & oil cooler, Derale trans cooler, Holley efi rails.

10-26-2023, 09:33 PM	#4
pyroguy Started#gottalovethatblue Drives: ABM #831 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: TN Posts: 6,919 View My Garage	While a stall is eventual for me, I'm actually running the factory stall with a BTR Stage 2 NA LS3 cam. No, I haven't unlocked the full potential of the cam by keeping the factory stall, but I got the chop I was after, a significant increase in power that I was also after, and my wife asked me not to race the car. So in the end I don't HAVE to have a stall for now, but it is a goal in the future for me. I'm looking at a 3200 Circle D. __________________ '10 Camaro 2SS/RS \| Aqua Blue #831 of 3,903 \| Silver Stripes Check out my build thread

10-27-2023, 01:46 AM	#5
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,109	I'm using the GPI SS3 VVT cam with a Circle D single disc 3600. It's like night and day difference between the factory torque converter and the circle d. I had the GPI SS1 VVT cam with the factory torque converter before and even with that much smaller of a cam I still should have went with a bigger stall because it always pushed through the brakes. I must say that I am truly impressed with the circle d 3600 because even with this GPI SS3 it doesn't push through the brakes at all now. But with all that said I don't have the lock up engaged until 55 mph in 6th gear because I would usually get bucking those figures. I will also say that with the right tuning the shifts are actually softer then the factory shifting until you get on the gas that is and then you can really feel it shift. I would definitely recommend this torque converter to anyone that needs a higher stall. __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

10-27-2023, 11:08 AM	#7
mlee CamaroFans.com Drives: ZLE & ZR2 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Conroe, TX Posts: 37,507 View My Garage	Stall is one of the best bangs for your buck and something to add BEFORE you swap cams. Ran mine for almost a year before the cam and it really helped at the track. __________________

10-27-2023, 11:29 AM	#8
Bigdumogre Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: New York Posts: 1,434	CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3 FTI triple disc convertor 3000 stall Love the combo, idles great and leaves off the line hard. Never pushes through the brakes and only problem i have at times is when i brake hard it does stall. But that's because of the big cam. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS - CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3, Texas speed CNC heads, FTI billet triple disc converter, K&N cai, Katech ported TB, GPI Ported/rod modded manifold, Texas speed 1 7/8 headers, HFC, Flowmaster 2 chambers with x pipe, Mishimoto CC, MSD wires, Roto fab washer relocation, tru cool 40k trans cooler, apex scoop, Pedders extreme coil overs and much more!!

10-27-2023, 09:26 PM	#10
Modernmusclecar Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 820	629/604 custom grind from Cam Motion. First stall was 3200 Circle D base model Went with 3800 Pro Series from Circle D....big difference. __________________ EPS CUSTOM GRIND CAM....K@N CAI....VMAX PTB.....FRANKENSTEIN STAGE 2 HEADS ...1 7/8 STAINLESS POWER CATTED LONGTUBE HEADERS...CORSA XTREME 3 INCH CATBACK.....CIRCLE D 3800 Pro Series stall...391 gears.....Ported/modded GPI intake .Forgestar drag pack with Mickey Thompson ET street drag radials AGP PERFORMANCE DYNO TUNED. 463 WHP 428 FTLBS TORQUE.

10-30-2023, 09:46 AM	#12
Sales@Phastek Drives: 2016 1SS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,817	Thank you everyone for the feedback. __________________

10-30-2023, 04:08 PM	#14
Eddymel1998 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS L99 Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 460	Aaaand now I'm looking at torque coverters, gonna blame all of you guys, the fruits on my money tree need some time to ripen, they're getting over picked. So does changing the torque converter mess with how the gears are set electronically, would I be able to just plop it in or would I need to get it tuned so I don't damage the gearbox. End goal is a stage 2 vvt cam but I'm thinking in long term due to costs for all this stuff, so tune would happen eventually just maybe a year or two after the torque converter. __________________ Behind every scratch is a story on what not to do, and my car has a lot of stories.