[jfkheat]

There is a 2023 ZL1 listed on Facebook that I'm pretty sure is a scam. I contacted the guy just to see what response I would get. I asked for the last 6 on the VIN. He sent me a picture of a portion of the title showing the VIN. I looked it up but it shows it to be a 1LT convertible. Could it be a fake title?

[jfkheat]

Now I am really confused. He sent me pictures of the window VIN and the one on the door. They match the title. Could the 2023 Camaro Build Info spreadsheet have the VIN listed with the wrong information?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2029393568

EDIT: I looked the VIN op of two other sites. Both show it to be a ZL1. I guess the spreadsheet here mixed the info up with another car.

[Bumbleboy92]

The spreadsheet doesn't have much wrong information

The VIN ending in 156138 for 2023 is a 1LT Convertible as you noticed. The VIN on that title is not real,

https://experience.gm.com/ownercente...FK1R60P0156138

There is no information from GM, normally a real VIN will 'decode' through that site for recall/warranty check for example mine:

https://experience.gm.com/ownercente...FH1R78N0102770

He's most likely got a stolen car.

[IMCWORTH]

There are so many ZL1's for sale on the internet Carmax has plenty for around $60K with less then 10k miles

[Bumbleboy92]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

Now I am really confused. He sent me pictures of the window VIN and the one on the door. They match the title. Could the 2023 Camaro Build Info spreadsheet have the VIN listed with the wrong information?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2029393568

EDIT: I looked the VIN op of two other sites. Both show it to be a ZL1. I guess the spreadsheet here mixed the info up with another car.

Just saw your edit, for 2023 there can only be one car with those last 6 digits as that’s the sequence they come off of the line. No car shares the same 6 sequence for a single year. Considering for 2023 those last 6 digits match to a 1LT then there’s no way for it to be a ZL1.

I posted in the general forums about a stolen ZL1 Carvana sold, the fake VIN shows up on VIN decoders but that’s because it’s just got the right formatting and check digit for the VIN which can be calculated easily.

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by Bumbleboy92

Just saw your edit, for 2023 there can only be one car with those last 6 digits as that’s the sequence they come off of the line. No car shares the same 6 sequence for a single year. Considering for 2023 those last 6 digits match to a 1LT then there’s no way for it to be a ZL1.

I posted in the general forums about a stolen ZL1 Carvana sold, the fake VIN shows up on VIN decoders but that’s because it’s just got the right formatting and check digit for the VIN which can be calculated easily.

I agree with all of this but he sent me pictures of the title, door tag and window VIN. All three show the same VIN. The pictures all look legitimate That is what has me confused.

[Mark114]

Originally Posted by Bumbleboy92

The spreadsheet doesn't have much wrong information.
He's most likely got a stolen car.

I would agree. Here is a thread with a stolen Camaro with fake VIN sold by Carvana. It sounds like a situation that is similar to the car you posted.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=623503

[LT4Greg]

I would venture to say that this Camaro is stolen and the title is a fake one too!

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

I would venture to say that this Camaro is stolen and the title is a fake one too!

I just looked closer at the window VIN. The 38 font at the end look different than the rest of the numbers. There is a ZL1 with a VIN only a couple cars away from this one that matches what this car looks like. 1G1FK1R60P0156141 It looks like someone changed the 41 to 38 in the window VIN. The door tag looks like the font matches so whoever changed it did a better job.

[Bumbleboy92]

I had a similar experience with a Challenger I was asked to look at for a friend. VIN came back clean and carfax even was clean, however no original window sticker could be found. When I called a Dodge dealership to run the VIN it came back as not real, you could try your hand at contacting a dealership saying you aren’t sure but would like to verify. I still do believe it’s 100% stolen though

[jfkheat]

Too many details

[LT4Greg]

I wouldn’t count on the guy showing up tomorrow!

[arpad_m]

Probably wasn't a good idea to discuss these details in an open forum...

[CalgaryZL1]

Just call a spade a spade!