I want Zl1. I want more speed!!! - Page 2

s346k · 07-17-2021, 05:47 AM

a hci LT1 car will have no trouble handling a stock ZL1 with regard to acceleration. ZL1s are cool but if it's speed you're looking for, $55k will open a lot of doors.

Chef-j · 07-17-2021, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

How does insurance work? I mean if your car gets stolen or wrecked how is the SC and all the money covered? Do you have to take out extra coverage to cover it or just SOL if something happens to the car?

Some insurance offers “modification coverage”. Worth it? I have no idea.

Dathomas94 · 07-17-2021, 07:25 AM

I bought an 18 ss with 7 k on it in late 19. My first Camaro. In the fall I sold it for a 2 k loss and ordered a 21 ZL1 that came in the spring of Covid shutdown. Best trade ever. My palms still sweat when I get in that thing. It’s a true beast compared to the ss, go for it !

Smokin19 · 07-17-2021, 07:35 AM

There is much more to a ZL1 than just the SC. It has the supporting components to compliment the hp. By the way I get about 21-23 mpg on long trips.

Gunkk · 07-17-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

Better to just throw on a SC onto my SS?

I've never known someone to upgrade to a ZL1 and wish they hadn't.

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Does the ZL1 get old after awhile too?

Not for me and my SIX-HUNDRED FIFTY HORSEPOWER CONVERTIBLE!

avalonandl · 07-17-2021, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Smokin19

There is much more to a ZL1 than just the SC. It has the supporting components to compliment the hp. By the way I get about 21-23 mpg on long trips.

I just bought a 19' ZL1 in April and am about to drive it from FL to MICH and figure about 22 mpg for the 1200 mile trip.

gtfoxy · 07-17-2021, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by redcoats1976

a friend of mine has a ZL-1,pretty much stock with appearance mods.he claims 15 mpg with the cruise control on if that enters into play at all.the price of gas appears to be headed up,so if this is a daily driver thats something to consider.

Something is wrong with his car.

I did a 1K mile round trip last year & calculated was 23-24mpg running 70-80mph for most of it.

L78toLT1 · 07-17-2021, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

How does insurance work? I mean if your car gets stolen or wrecked how is the SC and all the money covered? Do you have to take out extra coverage to cover it or just SOL if something happens to the car?

I took out $10k additional coverage, which isn't enough to cover all of my mods, but was all my insurance company (Safeco) would allow. On the posotive side, It was very inexpensive.

L78toLT1 · 07-17-2021, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by redcoats1976

a friend of mine has a ZL-1,pretty much stock with appearance mods.he claims 15 mpg with the cruise control on if that enters into play at all.the price of gas appears to be headed up,so if this is a daily driver thats something to consider.

That doesn't sound right for a road trip on cruise control. I get a reliable, hand calculated 20mpg on a road trip on e60. Latest check was on the way home from Camarofest. I got 20mpg right on the money on e60 with the cruise set on 80mph. Mixed driving gets me 14 - 15 mpg

Gunkk · 07-17-2021, 09:28 AM

I averaged 26mpg the night I brought The Mistress home at 60-70 MPH across the state on SR70. Being the first 200ish miles on the car, there was no cruise control and healthy gear shifting to vary rpms. Top up most of the time due to a bit of evening rain, and my then 8yr old not thrilled with the hours long surplus of fresh air in back seat.

I've averaged about 14-16 in spirited driving during the 4 years since.

Vaska · 07-17-2021, 10:16 AM

M6 ZL1 vert is something I’d be looking for next. The LT4 can just handle more power reliably. I doubt I would ever boost my SS, there is just no point.

KingLT1 · 07-17-2021, 10:19 AM

It's easy to go down the rabbit hole of chasing more power. The best part about the ZL1 is that it's exceptionally well built to handle the advertised 650hp with a warranty. If you don't care about warranty then mod the SS.

You can take a SS to about 650-700whp pretty comfortably if the setup is right...proper tune and high octane fuel.

A ZL1 is pretty stout to 8-850whp until the thrust bearing starts to tap out from the stress of a belt driven supercharger pulling on the crank. At that point it's switch to Turbos or tear it apart and address the bearings.

Either way above 700whp is where traction issues become a thing below 50 mph even with drag packs on a unprepped surface.

arpad_m · 07-17-2021, 10:51 AM

KingLT1 is right, as always.

My SS is pretty much at the bottom of the rabbit hole, it's the fastest that would ever make sense or what the powertrain can handle long term. It's az amazing, near perfect Jekyll and Hyde car with Ted Jannetty's tune, so this is clearly a viable path. If I started from scratch (and it were still 2018), I think I would do the same, get a 2SS and gradually add power until it's no longer reasonable.

That said, the ZL1 is an absolutely fantastic car, already has much more performance out of the box, its frontend looks more menacing, plus it sports a higher upgrade potential without making it un-streetable.

What I'm saying is that you won't go horrendously wrong either way, just need to decide what makes the most financial sense—and, which is even more important, what you really want deep inside, because if you rationalize anything else, you'll regret it in the end.

Pupilbone · 07-17-2021, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Smokin19

There is much more to a ZL1 than just the SC. It has the supporting components to compliment the hp. By the way I get about 21-23 mpg on long trips.

This exactly. The ZL1 differentiates itself over an SS in many more ways than just the Supercharger…

(Taken from an older post in this topic)

Magnetic dampers standard w/ stiffer springs rates and stabilizer bars (different calibration than 1LE)
Electronic limited-slip differential
Hood/heat extractor
Front end/increased airflow
Cooling system (11 HX)
Wider front fenders
**The fenders, hood, and front end use a different cut, so they cannot be interchanged on an SS without using all three together.
Enormous brakes (Larger than SS 1LE)
Wider, stickier rubber
More bracing/chassis reinforcement
Large, aerodynamically-shaped rear spoiler
NPP/Dual Mode exhaust standard
Available 10-speed automatic transmission
Interior suede appointments w/ red stitching
Recaro Performance Bucket seats
"2SS"-style comfort/convenience equipment
Performance Traction Management software
The front track is also wider, and rear track is a bit narrower.

07-17-2021, 05:47 AM	#15
s346k Drives: like an old lady Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: indiana Posts: 2,396	a hci LT1 car will have no trouble handling a stock ZL1 with regard to acceleration. ZL1s are cool but if it's speed you're looking for, $55k will open a lot of doors. __________________ 2016+ camaro: everyone’s first car

07-17-2021, 07:35 AM	#18
Smokin19 Drives: 19' ZL1 A10, w/pdr Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: S.W. ohio Posts: 1,551	There is much more to a ZL1 than just the SC. It has the supporting components to compliment the hp. By the way I get about 21-23 mpg on long trips. __________________ BTR Stg II cam w/ 38% fuel lobe, ARH 2" headers into 3" w/cats, AWE Touring, Kong X port, Weapon X triple ht exchangers, NW 103, Rotofab big gulp, DSX lowside, TCM tune, BMR Lockout, Mustang dyno 720 rwhp, 634 rwtq on 93 pump.

07-17-2021, 10:19 AM	#26
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 6,799	It's easy to go down the rabbit hole of chasing more power. The best part about the ZL1 is that it's exceptionally well built to handle the advertised 650hp with a warranty. If you don't care about warranty then mod the SS. You can take a SS to about 650-700whp pretty comfortably if the setup is right...proper tune and high octane fuel. A ZL1 is pretty stout to 8-850whp until the thrust bearing starts to tap out from the stress of a belt driven supercharger pulling on the crank. At that point it's switch to Turbos or tear it apart and address the bearings. Either way above 700whp is where traction issues become a thing below 50 mph even with drag packs on a unprepped surface. __________________ 2016 NFG 1SS A8 Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA

07-17-2021, 10:51 AM	#27
arpad_m Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS A8 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 11,607 View My Garage	KingLT1 is right, as always. My SS is pretty much at the bottom of the rabbit hole, it's the fastest that would ever make sense or what the powertrain can handle long term. It's az amazing, near perfect Jekyll and Hyde car with Ted Jannetty's tune, so this is clearly a viable path. If I started from scratch (and it were still 2018), I think I would do the same, get a 2SS and gradually add power until it's no longer reasonable. That said, the ZL1 is an absolutely fantastic car, already has much more performance out of the box, its frontend looks more menacing, plus it sports a higher upgrade potential without making it un-streetable. What I'm saying is that you won't go horrendously wrong either way, just need to decide what makes the most financial sense—and, which is even more important, what you really want deep inside, because if you rationalize anything else, you'll regret it in the end. __________________ 2018 Camaro 2SS — G7E MX0 NPP F55 IO6 735 rwhp \| 665 rwtq Magnuson TVS 2300 80mm pulley \| Kooks 1 7/8" LT headers \| JRE smooth idle terminator cam \| LT4 FS & injectors \| TSP forged pistons & rods JMS PowerMAX \| DSX flex fuel kit \| Roto-Fab CAI \| Soler 95mm LT5 TB \| 1LE wheels \| 1LE brakes \| BMR rear cradle lockout \| JRE custom tune 1100 - 1/30/18 \| 2000 - 1/31/18 3000 - 2/06/18 TPW 2/26/18 3400 - 2/19/18 \| 3800 - 2/26/18 4300 - 2/27/18 \| 4B00 - 3/01/18 4200 - 3/05/18 \| 4800 - 3/14/18 5000 - 3/16/18 \| 6000 - 3/19/18

07-17-2021, 07:25 AM	#17
Dathomas94 Drives: Camaro 2021 ZL1 6 speed ragtop Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: CT. Posts: 62	I bought an 18 ss with 7 k on it in late 19. My first Camaro. In the fall I sold it for a 2 k loss and ordered a 21 ZL1 that came in the spring of Covid shutdown. Best trade ever. My palms still sweat when I get in that thing. It’s a true beast compared to the ss, go for it !

07-17-2021, 09:28 AM	#24
Gunkk Thank you Al Oppenheiser! Drives: Red Hot A10 ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 4,975 View My Garage	I averaged 26mpg the night I brought The Mistress home at 60-70 MPH across the state on SR70. Being the first 200ish miles on the car, there was no cruise control and healthy gear shifting to vary rpms. Top up most of the time due to a bit of evening rain, and my then 8yr old not thrilled with the hours long surplus of fresh air in back seat. I've averaged about 14-16 in spirited driving during the 4 years since.

07-17-2021, 10:16 AM	#25
Vaska Drives: On Hiatus Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Sask Posts: 314	M6 ZL1 vert is something I’d be looking for next. The LT4 can just handle more power reliably. I doubt I would ever boost my SS, there is just no point.

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