December 2017 and Yearly Muscle Car Sales

camaro5 · 01-03-2018, 02:50 PM

An all-out whooping...

December 2017 Muscle Car Sales

7714 - Mustang 81866 year 2017

4508 - Challenger 64537 year

3802 - Camaro 67940 year

Quote:

In December 2017, Ford sold 7,714 examples of the Mustang, beating the same month in 2016 by about 10% while beating the next closest competitor in the class –
the Dodge Challenger – by more than 3,200 units.

Dodge sold 4,508 examples of the Challenger to take the 2nd spot in the last monthly sales race of 2017 while the Camaro settled for 3rd with just 3,802 units sold.
Mustang Wins the 2017 Annual Race
With its 7th monthly win of the 2017 calendar year, the Ford Mustang secured its 3rd-straight annual muscle car sales. After watching the Camaro lead the segment in 2010 through 2014, the Mustang has battled back to lead the trio of American muscle cars in 2015, 2016 and 2017.

Throughout 2017, Ford sold 81,866 examples of the Mustang, beating the Camaro at 67,940 units and the Challenger at 64,537 units.

Sales were way down for the Mustang compared to 2016 and for the Camaro, 2017 marked the worst sales year since the car returned to the lineup for 2010. On the other hand, the Dodge Challenger saw a slight improvement in numbers over 2016, so while the Mopar muscle car was still the 3rd-best in terms of sales volume – it was the only one of the three to show growth in 2017.
https://www.torquenews.com/106/ford-...ar-sales-title

rburke76 · 01-03-2018, 06:54 PM

Camaro may have come in second place....mustang may sell more but what is the profit margarin? I bet the Camaro may not sell as much, but they're profit for this car is the highest...that's one stat the public may not see...anyone think they can get that info? I would love to see it...

ron123 · 01-03-2018, 07:25 PM

Doesn't that work out to over 2,000,000,000 (2 Billion Dollars)
in sales in just one year?
At about 68,000 cars.
800 less cars per month than Mustang.
wow think i am lost, how many of these threads are there? lol

Number 3 · 01-03-2018, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rburke76

Camaro may have come in second place....mustang may sell more but what is the profit margarin? I bet the Camaro may not sell as much, but they're profit for this car is the highest...that's one stat the public may not see...anyone think they can get that info? I would love to see it...

LOL we will never see it.

What is a giant factor, however, is GM has to pay pensions for 100s of thousands more retires than Ford. The Camaro has to pay its share of that bill.

metros11 · 01-03-2018, 08:00 PM

This includes totals sales for all trims, correct? I'd love to see a V8 comparison.

SS376 · 01-03-2018, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rburke76

Camaro may have come in second place....mustang may sell more but what is the profit margarin? I bet the Camaro may not sell as much, but they're profit for this car is the highest...that's one stat the public may not see...anyone think they can get that info? I would love to see it...

I'm a butter man myself.

Need4Camaro · 01-04-2018, 08:48 AM

Im hoping this makes GM think a bit more in depth about how heavily priced these vehicles are.. they're a bit outside of the market for the average performance car buyer.

Torquem · 01-04-2018, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SS376

I'm a butter man myself.

I like this guy

ssrs2lt · 01-04-2018, 11:39 AM

YTD approximately 3000 more than challenger..oya..I can't imagine that was a goal..isn't that number close to what the camaro did in gen 4 that got it killed off???? I'm sure profitability is higher than gen 4 but who really knows how much more? Does GM really need a car that sells 5K units a month?

metros11 · 01-04-2018, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ssrs2lt

Does GM really need a car that sells 5K units a month?

GM doesn't, but I do.

IOMike · 01-04-2018, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssrs2lt

YTD approximately 3000 more than challenger..oya..I can't imagine that was a goal..isn't that number close to what the camaro did in gen 4 that got it killed off???? I'm sure profitability is higher than gen 4 but who really knows how much more? Does GM really need a car that sells 5K units a month?

I wonder if they talk all doom and gloom on the Dodge forums due to the Challenger sales. They sell less and they have a lower transaction price.

SilverSurfer Fifty · 01-04-2018, 06:42 PM

Maybe they should spend some efforts to market the car better. Everyone, wether you are a “car enthusiast” or not associate muscle with the Challenger and Chargers. Chrysler commercials show their vehicles in motion and try to show excitement. Chevy is enamored with showing their vehicle coming out of boxes or stacking contraption and trying to appeal to awards and ratings.

Awards and rating don’t translate to muscle, or sports, any type of vehicle enthusiast. GM has to market differently if they want to grow the market because they are losing compared to the other domestic and foreign competitors. A choice to buy a camaro or mustang or MSeries BMW or Hellcat is based on passion and feeling, not being reasonable.

camaro5 · 01-04-2018, 11:17 PM

Quote:

GM reported a 3.3 percent drop in sales in December, driven by a decline in lower-margin fleet sales to government agencies and rental car companies.

GM's retail sales were up 1.8 percent.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/01/03/...und-ab-tile-16

CamaroBody · 01-05-2018, 12:47 AM

don't care/glad I don't see my exact same car everywhere

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01-03-2018, 06:54 PM	#2
rburke76 Drives: garnet red Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: northeast Posts: 169	4 cylinder turbo guy here...Profit margarin? Camaro may have come in second place....mustang may sell more but what is the profit margarin? I bet the Camaro may not sell as much, but they're profit for this car is the highest...that's one stat the public may not see...anyone think they can get that info? I would love to see it...

01-03-2018, 07:25 PM	#3
ron123 Drives: 2014 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,053	Doesn't that work out to over 2,000,000,000 (2 Billion Dollars) in sales in just one year? At about 68,000 cars. 800 less cars per month than Mustang. wow think i am lost, how many of these threads are there? lol __________________ 2014 2SS/RS, Z28 CAI and High Wing Spoiler, ZL1 5.1:1 Ratio Short-Throw Shifter, ZL1 Pedals, ZL1 splash guards, NPP Dual-mode quad tip exhaust, Z28 strut tower brace, Camaro LED Cup-holders with footwell Lighting option, Leather visors, and Leather E-brake boot. Chevy dealer sponsored 67 retro SS nose stripe package.

01-04-2018, 11:39 AM	#9
ssrs2lt Drives: too many Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: oh va pa ma tx Posts: 3,046	YTD approximately 3000 more than challenger..oya..I can't imagine that was a goal..isn't that number close to what the camaro did in gen 4 that got it killed off???? I'm sure profitability is higher than gen 4 but who really knows how much more? Does GM really need a car that sells 5K units a month? __________________

01-04-2018, 06:42 PM	#12
SilverSurfer Fifty Drives: 2017 Camaro SS - gone Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Houston Posts: 100	Maybe they should spend some efforts to market the car better. Everyone, wether you are a “car enthusiast” or not associate muscle with the Challenger and Chargers. Chrysler commercials show their vehicles in motion and try to show excitement. Chevy is enamored with showing their vehicle coming out of boxes or stacking contraption and trying to appeal to awards and ratings. Awards and rating don’t translate to muscle, or sports, any type of vehicle enthusiast. GM has to market differently if they want to grow the market because they are losing compared to the other domestic and foreign competitors. A choice to buy a camaro or mustang or MSeries BMW or Hellcat is based on passion and feeling, not being reasonable. __________________ 2017 2SS, Silver Ice Metallic

01-05-2018, 12:47 AM	#14
CamaroBody Drives: Hyper Blue 2SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: CA Posts: 1,160	don't care/glad I don't see my exact same car everywhere . __________________ 2SS, Hyper Blue, 8-Speed Automatic, NPP Exhaust, Magnetic Ride Control, Sunroof, Navigation, 5-Spoke Low-Gloss Black Wheels, Black Bowtie Emblems, Cargo Mat/Net Mods: XPEL - Hood, Bumper, Headlights, & Side Mirrors JWM - Side Markers ZL1 Addons - Deluxe Rock Guards & Red Lift Pads GM - Dark Tail Lamps MRR - Gloss Black M017s

01-03-2018, 08:00 PM	#5
metros11 Drives: 2018 SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: North Jersey Posts: 776	This includes totals sales for all trims, correct? I'd love to see a V8 comparison.

01-04-2018, 08:48 AM	#7
Need4Camaro Drives: '17 Camaro 2SS & '99 Camaro Z28 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,836	Im hoping this makes GM think a bit more in depth about how heavily priced these vehicles are.. they're a bit outside of the market for the average performance car buyer.

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