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Also, the ZL1 1LE being a fantastic track car that it is isn't faster around the track than a Z06 w/Z07. At the ring, the Z06 posted a 7:13 sec lap (driven by Germany's Sport Auto) while the ZL1 1LE posted a 7:16 sec lap. The A10 ZL1 posted a 7:29 and all these have videos to prove. The only time the Z06/Z07 had a slower time than a ZL1/1LE was at Laguna Seca (Although a different year test wise) when the Z06 had cooling issues and pulled timing. On a smaller track the ZL1 1LE will be right there with the Z06 tho. |
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However, I don't care how you slice it and I know this will be an unpopular opinion here. The Camaro will NEVER be the Corvette. It will NEVER have the prestige, history or allure that the Corvette has. I've said it many times on this forum, buying a brand new Corvette is one of my bucket list things. I have always loved Corvettes. From the time I got really into cars, the Corvette has always been a favorite of mine. It is America's sports car. It is America's Porsche 911. If the Corvette goes midengine and with that goes into the 100K price range for a base model and the Camaro fills that slot the Corvette used to occupy, sorry not buying a Camaro if im finally at teh stage I can have my third car be a toy. I don't care if the next gen SS is faster than a Z51, it's not a Corvette. Now I am not saying I would never consider the Camaro. I am saying I would/will never consider the Camaro an alternative to the Corvette. So obviously my opinion is if that is there thinking, I think it is a horrible miscalculation. |
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Tadge(the Corvette VP) has stated moving to mid-engine would add about 10k to the Vette.
BUT I dont see them building a mid engine stripper model. MAYBE a non FI car, maybe different brake options, etc... but I cant see them going to a mid engine "cheap" model. So the 100k+ price point for an entry level is about as cheap as I think a mid engine vette would be. |
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Already happened in my house. I spent many weekends last spring shopping for a Corvette; playing around with the entire range of C7's available.
It was my S.O. who drug me over to the Camaro sitting on the showroom floor and talked me into a test drive. The test drive made me realize that the Camaro had the road feel that I wanted and she liked the styling better. (No " white haired, old man" stereotype from her viewpoint, even though that is what I am.) While I still think the C7 is one of the most stylish vehicles on the road, the Camaro rings my bell from the driver's seat just like the C7's did. Having rented a Ferrari 488 for an afternoon in Italy this summer, I was very surprised how well my Camaro with a SC compared from a performance standpoint. Kind of a disappointment in some regards. The Ferrari lost some of its golden status for me. |
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I agree that they "could" make a mid-engine for close to the same price point but as someone else said I think the whole point of going mid-engine is to push the performance boundary, and of course show Ford that their $400k GT is over priced and slow haha just think of how a mid-engine Vette with the LT4 or new LT5 with some active aero would compare to the GT, and if they kept with the steel/aluminum chassis and fiberglass body it would be heavier than the GT but WAY cheaper to build! You could be right, but I think a mid-engine Vette will start around $100k and there will still be a front engine variant in the price range that we are used to.
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In 2015, I was working on designing some assembly tools/machines for GM Bowling Green plant. The project was for a smaller DOHC V8 with twin turbos and was definitely a mid engine. We were told it was for a Cadillac but to design with the consideration of a possibility to retool it for a larger V8 for the corvette. We were told it would be public knowledge fall of 2016, however I still haven't seen this Cadillac. I wouldn't be surprised if these spy shots of the newer mid engine vette is actually a much pricier Cadillac.
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11-22-2017, 10:57 AM | #23 |
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The Corvette began, and in many respects, still is a 'baby boomer's" car. When the troops came back from Europe after WWII, there was a surge in imports of the British and Italian roadsters, MG, Triumph, Alpha Romero. This was the birth of the Corvette idea. As the boomer's grew up, and earnings went up, so did their requirements, and the Corvette grew up with them. First it was power, C2-C3. Then it was refinement and technology, C4. Then, around the late 90's, as these boomers got older, it was about adding comfort, the C5 and C6 were much easier to get in and out of than the previous models. Point is, the baby boomer generation has always been Corvette's base market focus.
However, today, their strategy has to change. The Corvette is losing it's fundamental base market through simple attrition. The C7 was the beginning of that move. They are moving the car more and more in the direction of attracting that market of buyer that buys the German and Italian cars. That part of the market that shrugged off the Corvette as that "cheap and cheesy" American muscle car. The C7 was solid step in that direction, but a lifetime perception is not going to change overnight. Now they need a 'hook'. That hook is going to be the mid engine model. It will likely be the new and permanent home for the LT5. It will likely get AWD, and perhaps even some hybrid technology. Maybe a DCT transmission, or at least the A10 that won't fit in the current chassis. They're going to give this car everything they can throw at it, along with interior refinement, gadgetry, you name it. And it will probably still be about 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the Italian or German cars. But it won't be the only Corvette they make. The mainstream Corvette will still be made in the grand touring fashion that we have come to know and love. The bread and butter of this car is the fact that it can be daily driven, provide ample room for luggage or golf clubs or shopping bags. There will always be a market for the Corvette, it's an icon. |
11-22-2017, 12:48 PM | #24 | |
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The corvette mid engine will not break 100k (at least not before options). Hold that.. let me rephrase. The corvette, of any kind excluding the rare trims like ZR1, will never adequately sell over 100k. It might for the first year. After that, I'd venture to say it won't sell above 85. So while it may come in with an MSRP between 70-95 as the articles suggest, we will see 15-20k off MSRP just like we are now in some dealers here in Florida. There are multiple dealers selling Z06 1LZs below 72 in South Florida with a sticker of 84.... and those are 18s, not 17s. The corvette does exceptionally well mid-engine if it stays in the 65 for your 1LZ up to 85 for 3LZ and 90-105 for the Z06 or similar variant. The suggestion is the C7 continues producing alongside the mid-engine for a year and then transitions to all mid-engine suggests that if they go 100 across the board the Corvette is done. I love my American cars. I love what they mean to those of us who shed blood and tears for this country, but if you want to go toe to toe with a 911S or 9114S then that will be the death of the Corvette. The argument you are making is "guys that always wanted them". You are correct, but part of that was the realistic price window. If any of us believe the target audience of men and women between the ages of 40-55 wouldn't pick up a 911, an M5, an AMG GT over the corvette if we were told the price would be the same, chevy would be 100% kidding themselves. I loved my 5th gen and will get into a 6th gen or a corvette..as other have said, the corvette is a status symbol to many but it does not hold the weight that a P car holds. If just the base mid-engine breaks 90, the scope of my car search just increased 10 fold and the vette is sliding down the ladder.
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That’s not the important point. The Important point is GM has always felt that they needed a car to compete with the high-end stuff. To show that they can do it.Because everybody else has a halo car above them. Call it what you want, it’s still an inferiority complex. It started when Hank the deuce won LeMans. The new mid engine will def be at
Lemans, soon...if not 6/18 then 6/19.... None of my comments are meant to be a slam. People get so defensive here…LOL If I was at GM during that time, I’d feel the same way. |
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I am 46 years old......I find very few people in my age group see the Vette as a halo car. Most want the new Benz or BMW. If they make good money ($150,000+) they aspire to a Porsche or Maserati, etc......
I personally think the mid engine Vette will be a sales flop and a waste of Development money...... The auto industry is in the beginning stages of a transition....in 25 years both cars may become irrelevant............. IMHO
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