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Old 09-20-2021, 07:09 AM   #15
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All indications are that when GM really puts its mind to this new technology, the desire for their products will be burning a hole in people's wallets. By 2035, GM will only sell you BEV's so I hope we're all ready for some flaming deals!

I'm really hoping the Camaro replacement has great styling and keeps it's roofline low. A good looking Camaro BEV from GM will be smoking!
They have flaming deals on the Bolt right now!


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Old 09-20-2021, 07:14 AM   #16
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Some leaked pics of the 2025 EV Camaro ZL1+





It's got a mind-blowing 45 HP... 26 ft/lb of torque... 0-60 in 35 seconds flat.

And 2 Chinese Lithium Batteries. It's gonna be LIT!


I'm no fan of ev's, but they are certainly capable of mind-blowing straight line performance. The low roof ev sedan that martinjlm speculates may be the next gen Camaro may well be boring and soulless, but it won't be slow.
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I'm no fan of ev's, but they are certainly capable of mind-blowing straight line performance. The low roof ev sedan that martinjlm speculates may be the next gen Camaro may well be boring and soulless, but it won't be slow.
On that note, I don't understand how Tesla and Porsche are the only ones with really quick electric cars. Compared to a gas engine, it's a dead simple design, there isn't even a driveline to speak of, it's easy to achieve basically any 0-60 as long as the tires can put the torque down. Other aspects of the vehicle like chassis, suspension, aero can be done using the same honed in process.

Sure, there is the weight and the range problem, plus battery cooling (haha), but not much else and one can easily throw a lot of power at these. Devil in the details like with everything, but still, much-much more difficult problems have been solved with gas propulsion.

Software does not look like an issue, non-Tesla automotive software architectures are decades behind the curve in other fields, another easy target. It's like mobile phones and other earlier technologies all over again, another opportunity to start almost from scratch.
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Old 09-20-2021, 08:06 AM   #18
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Ahhh Geeze, here we go again with the EV crap.
Gotta agree here. In another thread I commented how I have ZERO interest in a battery powered "toy" or sports car. No thanks, no how. They're fine for daily run-abouts or to get to work. Great for errands. But, in my Camaro or any other sports/toy car I own? Nope. Gas powered engine please.
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I'll hold out for the 2035 EV Corvette model shown here...The longer you wait, the better the EV technology will be...

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I'll hold out for the 2035 EV Corvette model shown here...The longer you wait, the better the EV technology will be...

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Looks like the front of a streetcar chopped off
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I'll hold out for the 2035 EV Corvette model shown here...The longer you wait, the better the EV technology will be...

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I bet that would roll down a hill pretty well too. Tiger Woods would appreciate that.
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I'll hold out for the 2035 EV Corvette model shown here...The longer you wait, the better the EV technology will be...

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Agreed. I'm really glad GM, which took 50 years to get really good at Gas motors is just going for it and committing to all electric all the time in the face of uncertain projections and the current state of their BEV program. A less bold company would consider trying to phase this in with 1 or 2 successful vehicles, such as the Silverado and a nice mid sized SUV but not GM! A large number of electric vehicles rushed to the market and a date certain to stop making everything successful that makes them money is the perfect move at this time. Anything less is living in the past!!!!!!

As far as this Corvette, I'm down. It looks like the passenger accommodations are a real step up from the great wall of buttons. By 2035, however, I'm sure there will be a massive waiting list. Get your deposit in 5 years early.
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I wonder how close GM will come to the goal of "30 EVs for sale world-wide by 2025, with two-thirds (about 20) of the models for sale in North America".
With supply chain, chip issues, etc., will a more extensive line-up be expectied to be available?....Most of the above (I count 11 at most) is still several years away and 2025 is closing in....just sayin'...
I can't imagine that BEV CT4 and CT5 replacements need to be to market by 2025, they are truly impressive cars, I just wish that Camaro level performance didn't cost 63K- 50 percent over the similar-platform Camaro. (1SS Auto with mag ride control vs CT4-V Blackwing Auto base)
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Looks like the front of a streetcar chopped off
I think it has more of a Tilt-a-Whirl appeal. Imagine the thrill of a monster 0-60 time while spinning in a circle.
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I think it has more of a Tilt-a-Whirl appeal. Imagine the thrill of a monster 0-60 time while spinning in a circle.
Oh, yeah. This alone would warrant a brand new 0-60 *rpm* metric
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this thread shocks me...yet OP seems to be electrified by the thought of a 4 door EV camaro.
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On that note, I don't understand how Tesla and Porsche are the only ones with really quick electric cars. Compared to a gas engine, it's a dead simple design, there isn't even a driveline to speak of, it's easy to achieve basically any 0-60 as long as the tires can put the torque down. Other aspects of the vehicle like chassis, suspension, aero can be done using the same honed in process.

Sure, there is the weight and the range problem, plus battery cooling (haha), but not much else and one can easily throw a lot of power at these. Devil in the details like with everything, but still, much-much more difficult problems have been solved with gas propulsion.

Software does not look like an issue, non-Tesla automotive software architectures are decades behind the curve in other fields, another easy target. It's like mobile phones and other earlier technologies all over again, another opportunity to start almost from scratch.
Here’s my thoughts on why Tesla and Porsche can deliver performance EVs while others cannot or do not. In the early stages of EV, cost, especially battery cost, is the 800 lb gorilla. You have to fight it to survive. There are two ways to fight it. Minimize the cost by making the battery as small as you can get away with while still providing sufficient range (most automakers) or say “I’ll price to cover my cost” which is the approach Tesla and Porsche took. They can both afford to take that approach because in Porsche’s case…show me an inexpensive Porsche. I’ll wait.

Porsche customers expect to pay a lot and as long as Porsche can show that they’re getting something for the Euro, and that it is technologically class leading, they’ll pay for it. Tesla started out with only high priced products and eventually worked their way down the price ladder parallel to their ability to reduce battery cost. Not having to worry about CAFE and/or fines is bonus. If Nissan had taken that approach with Leaf they would have been laughed out of the market. Remember Cadillac ELR?

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I know the guy who led development of those autonomous pods. He was a director in R&D when I was a director in Technology Planning. Fascinating product, aimed primarily at China. More of a learning project than a serious product intent, but there were more than a handful produced and fully functional. Excellent tools for demonstrating vehicle-to-vehicle communication and vehicle-to-infrastructure communication.

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I can't imagine that BEV CT4 and CT5 replacements need to be to market by 2025, they are truly impressive cars, I just wish that Camaro level performance didn't cost 63K- 50 percent over the similar-platform Camaro. (1SS Auto with mag ride control vs CT4-V Blackwing Auto base)
CT4 / CT5 don’t necessarily have to go EV by 2025, but if Cadillac is going all EV by 2030 as they’ve stated, they can’t transition everything at once. Logic says Escalade will be last, since Escalade is clearly the cash cow for Cadillac. They won’t replace it with an EV until the very last possible moment. Lyriq is already on tap to replace XT5. If XT4 and XT6 replacements follow within the next couple years, that leave CT4 and CT5, both in the wildly popular sedan segment (<—sarcasm) and produced in a seriously under-utilized manufacturing plant that’s just begging to be converted to a Factory Zero. Leans heavily towards CT4 / CT5 being replaced by EV sooner than later. They may also wind up switching before XT4 / XT6 because from a portfolio point of view, Cadillac will already have an SUV EV. Adding a sedan EV broadens the portfolio before converting all the SUVs. That’s just me spit-ballin’ and pretending I’m still a Portfolio Planning executive.
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