[DaveC113]

I went in looking at T4 1LEs but left with a SLE because the price difference was WAY too small and you don't have to mod an SS. With T4 I would've gone E85 + tune for sure. SS... I'm keeping my warranty!

I could've ordered my T4 for $34-35k but I got my SLE for $39k... Also 4 and 6 cyl Camaro resale wasn't as good. The options on the T4 just added up to be too much and I got the SLE for a $6k discount.

[whynotlikemike]

I saw a Mach 1 at a car show. What kind of 50+k pony car comes with 1 piston rear brakes... what in the world...

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by whynotlikemike

I saw a Mach 1 at a car show. What kind of 50+k pony car comes with 1 piston rear brakes... what in the world...

Were they Brembo? This is one of the main things that turns me off about the GT, front Brembo and rear Camry brakes.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Here you can see which one is the best sport car for the money

[zx9rmal]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

But you can't see out the Camaro and it's ugly and it has a truck engine and the Mustang sounds cooler...

I know this is tongue in cheek, but if someone does piss on it because of the "truck engine", then someone needs to read an in depth tech article on the LT1/ZL1 engines.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

. And then imagine the leaps and bounds that the 7th Gen Camaros will have...if there is one...which I think there will be. I mean, the fact that GM hasn't even touched the ZL1 since it was released means that all this time has been spent slowly developing the next thing!! I can only imagine!!

That will be interesting to see. I hope there is a 7th gen, I am starting to doubt there will be though and that has nothing to do with sales.

Camaro shares it's platform with CT4/5...those are going fully electric with the rest of Cadillac. If Camaro has no platform mates to share with I think it would be in real danger-unless it to goes all electric or if the platform is modular and go do both ICE and EV but I am not sure if that is possible.

[s346k]

Originally Posted by zx9rmal

I know this is tongue in cheek, but if someone does piss on it because of the "truck engine", then someone needs to read an in depth tech article on the LT1/ZL1 engines.

the LT1 is a truck engine. literally is the same engine offered in the trucks. exact same long block. not pissing on it, but the facts are there to support the argument for the na 6.2. imho the only things really separating the LT4 are the forged internals and blower, as those aren't typically seen in truck motors.

edit: and if you want to get more technical, the truck intake manifolds make more tq and hp than the junk they put on the cars.

[whynotlikemike]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Were they Brembo? This is one of the main things that turns me off about the GT, front Brembo and rear Camry brakes.

Rear brakes were just orange. No brand label. I didn't get a good photo of the front, just saw the 1 pot rear and was like wtf.


https://imgur.com/n4Yd8yq

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by s346k

the LT1 is a truck engine. literally is the same engine offered in the trucks. exact same long block. not pissing on it, but the facts are there to support the argument for the na 6.2. imho the only things really separating the LT4 are the forged internals and blower, as those aren't typically seen in truck motors.

edit: and if you want to get more technical, the truck intake manifolds make more tq and hp than the junk they put on the cars.

The point was that the 6th Gen was soo awesome that haters had to resort to nitpicking stupid shit that doesn't even matter. Guess what also was a truck engine...the Coyote. Guess what they still put in the V8 F150...the Coyote engine. So it never mattered because the LT1 and LT4 together with the awesome 6th gen chassis and setup made the Camaros the best performance value on the planet.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by s346k

the LT1 is a truck engine. literally is the same engine offered in the trucks. exact same long block. not pissing on it, but the facts are there to support the argument for the na 6.2. imho the only things really separating the LT4 are the forged internals and blower, as those aren't typically seen in truck motors.

edit: and if you want to get more technical, the truck intake manifolds make more tq and hp than the junk they put on the cars.

I love that it’s a truck engine due to the volume support. I would have a hard time finding an engine that had a bigger design budget due to the volume

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by zx9rmal

I know this is tongue in cheek, but if someone does piss on it because of the "truck engine", then someone needs to read an in depth tech article on the LT1/ZL1 engines.

They should also lift the hood of a neighbor’s F150.

***Blaq beat me to it***

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by shaffe

….

Camaro shares it's platform with CT4/5...those are going fully electric with the rest of Cadillac. If Camaro has no platform mates to share with I think it would be in real danger-unless it to goes all electric ...

And my lips never moved.

[s346k]

the difference is: the coyote is a car engine they put in a truck, not the other way around. no stock gm v8 engine ever got 12:1 comp, a 4v cyl head and min 7500 rpm rev limiter. and before someone says LT5...no, mercury marine is not general motors.

calling the LT1 a truck motor is only a "last resort insult" if neither party has any idea how engines work. it is a truck motor, that doesnt mean its less suitable for a car. clearly it does just fine once you rid it of the inherent rpm limiters. gm could've done WAAAAAY better for the cars, but it's too expensive. so we got a GENERAL MOTOR for cars, trucks, vans, whatever... from a company called GENERAL MOTORS. i am not surprised, nor am i insulted when anyone brings up the truck motor thing. i typically ask them what they thought of not being able to come around a 400 hp small cube van motor in a 3700+ lb car.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by s346k

the LT1 is a truck engine. literally is the same engine offered in the trucks. exact same long block. not pissing on it, but the facts are there to support the argument for the na 6.2. imho the only things really separating the LT4 are the forged internals and blower, as those aren't typically seen in truck motors.

edit: and if you want to get more technical, the truck intake manifolds make more tq and hp than the junk they put on the cars.

Originally Posted by s346k

the difference is: the coyote is a car engine they put in a truck, not the other way around. no stock gm v8 engine ever got 12:1 comp, a 4v cyl head and min 7500 rpm rev limiter. and before someone says LT5...no, mercury marine is not general motors.

calling the LT1 a truck motor is only a "last resort insult" if neither party has any idea how engines work. it is a truck motor, that doesnt mean its less suitable for a car. clearly it does just fine once you rid it of the inherent rpm limiters. gm could've done WAAAAAY better for the cars, but it's too expensive. so we got a GENERAL MOTOR for cars, trucks, vans, whatever... from a company called GENERAL MOTORS. i am not surprised, nor am i insulted when anyone brings up the truck motor thing. i typically ask them what they thought of not being able to come around a 400 hp small cube van motor in a 3700+ lb car.

Well, if you follow the Ford example, then the L84 / L87 are car engines put in trucks. I was a group manager in GM’s Powertrain Product Planning group when the truck (cast iron blocks) and car (aluminum blocks) split their development paths. I was the Planning Director when the decision was made to make a variant of the car aluminum engines to put in SUVs. Then they eventually migrated into pickup trucks. The L84 and L87 were born of the LS / LT motors, not the other way around.