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enroberts · 05-29-2015, 08:58 PM

Hey everyone. So my car is an LS3 M6 with a Maggie and now at 580rwhp/562 tq. I got it on the track for the first time today. I got down the 1/4 mile in 12.5 because I just plain couldn't get the power to the ground. My 60' times were not good because I had to take it easy from the line or the tires would go up in smoke. I have an LT-1 Monster Clutch so the power is getting through that just fine. Here's my question though... Are guys at my power level running drag radials when using the stock drive shaft, diff, and axles? Should I be worried about breaking any of the stock drive train by using drag radials at my power level? Thanks!

bct10985 · 05-29-2015, 09:07 PM

What was your 60'

enroberts · 05-29-2015, 09:39 PM

The best was ~2.1. Any more on the gas and the tires broke loose from the line. I am running pzero tires and had them at 24lbs.

SuperchargedStealth · 05-29-2015, 09:57 PM

Those tires are the same as what came from the factory.They're garbage. Without going into a DR, there are better options such as Nitto, Michelin Sport. You're also not gaining traction because of the stock suspension. Start with some easy stuff like trailing arms and toe rods. To answer your other question, stock axles can go at any power level. I've seen them go at stock power, but also last up to 800. Your best bet is to try and find a used set, and sell your stock ones to offset what you spent. The weak points in the drivetrain are the axles, and gears. The DS will hold for a while depending on how you drive the car.

enroberts · 05-30-2015, 07:56 AM

Here's what I'm thinking about ordering. Am I on the right track?

http://www.apex-speed.com/bmr-fabric...ion-bk030.html

http://www.apex-speed.com/bmr-fabric...ods-tr002.html

http://www.apex-speed.com/bmr-fabric...ms-tca026.html

94tagt · 05-30-2015, 08:17 AM

Umm, won't your tires still go up in smoke?

No traction is still no traction.

Quicksilver 1LE · 05-30-2015, 08:22 AM

I had 2012LS3VERT on this forum put together a rear suspension updgrade that included solid subframe mounts, toe links, upper control arm bushings, and trailing arms. He shipped them to me for only $900. I am at 692rwhp/585rwtrq and I now put the power down. I used to spin 1st-4th and could break the tires loose at 70mph. I don't spin when I take off using Michelin PSS on the street. It's been raining so I have not been able to get to the track and see how I do with my NITTO DR but I will prob break something cause of my upgrades. Look up the you tube video about solid frame mounts. It's unbelievable how much the stock suspension moves around. Do the upgrade I did and you WILL put the power down.

Unreal · 05-30-2015, 09:19 AM

Good start with the BMR stuff, but you still will want a better tire.

enroberts · 05-30-2015, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unreal

Good start with the BMR stuff, but you still will want a better tire.

I agree with the need for better tires without a doubt. Probably go with the Mich SS. After some research this AM I'm leaning towards doing one upgrade at a time and hitting the track after each modification to determine which ones make the biggest improvement. After watching the old Pfadt subframe mount video I was shocked! I plan to start with solid subframe bushings/mounts then trailing arms and diff mount bushings. Let's see where I end up!

sscamaro · 05-30-2015, 10:39 AM

You should also replace the lower control arms.

enroberts · 05-30-2015, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sscamaro

You should also replace the lower control arms.

is that you Ralph?

bct10985 · 05-30-2015, 12:15 PM

I have bmr cradle bushings, toe rods, and trailing arms. Ran a 10.92 with a 1.6 60'. Have drag radials and a zl1 diff though.

enroberts · 05-30-2015, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bct10985

I have bmr cradle bushings, toe rods, and trailing arms. Ran a 10.92 with a 1.6 60'. Have drag radials and a zl1 diff though.

Thanks. This is good info. Pretty much what my original plan was. Are you running stock drive shaft and axles with those drag radials?

Nighthawk89 · 05-30-2015, 12:37 PM

Contact Tyler at JDP motorsports. He will have the info your looking for.

05-29-2015, 08:58 PM	#1
enroberts Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS Camaro M6 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Parkesburg, PA Posts: 178	580 RWHP...no traction! Hey everyone. So my car is an LS3 M6 with a Maggie and now at 580rwhp/562 tq. I got it on the track for the first time today. I got down the 1/4 mile in 12.5 because I just plain couldn't get the power to the ground. My 60' times were not good because I had to take it easy from the line or the tires would go up in smoke. I have an LT-1 Monster Clutch so the power is getting through that just fine. Here's my question though... Are guys at my power level running drag radials when using the stock drive shaft, diff, and axles? Should I be worried about breaking any of the stock drive train by using drag radials at my power level? Thanks!

05-29-2015, 09:07 PM	#2
bct10985 Drives: 2010 2SS LS3, 2013 duramax Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Dover, De Posts: 1,451	What was your 60' __________________ ECS Ysi-B, cam, Tsp 2" longtubes, Squash dual pumps, Id1300s, meth, 4L80e, FTI 3600, ZL1 3.73 diff, BMR suspension, 15" conversion, weld rts mt 275 et street R. 9.6@147mph

05-29-2015, 09:57 PM	#4
SuperchargedStealth Drives: '11 Camaro Supercharged Convertible Join Date: May 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 481	Those tires are the same as what came from the factory.They're garbage. Without going into a DR, there are better options such as Nitto, Michelin Sport. You're also not gaining traction because of the stock suspension. Start with some easy stuff like trailing arms and toe rods. To answer your other question, stock axles can go at any power level. I've seen them go at stock power, but also last up to 800. Your best bet is to try and find a used set, and sell your stock ones to offset what you spent. The weak points in the drivetrain are the axles, and gears. The DS will hold for a while depending on how you drive the car. __________________ 2011 Triple Black SS convertible, LSX 427, PRC 260cc heads, Callies Ultra Billet Rods, Wiseco -20 cc piston, Callies Dragon Slayer crank, Strange Dana 60 rear w/3.73 gear ratio and driveshaft, Pfadt coilovers, Pfadt sway bars, Pfadt trailing arms, Pfadt tie rods, Pfadt subframe bushings, Vortech YSi with wastegate and twin BOV, Haltech ECU, Mantic 9000 Twin Clutch, ALKY control meth system with dual nozzle, Squash twin fuel pumps, ACS T3 ports, VIS Terminator Hood, Seibon ZL style lip.

05-30-2015, 07:56 AM	#5
enroberts Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS Camaro M6 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Parkesburg, PA Posts: 178	Here's what I'm thinking about ordering. Am I on the right track? http://www.apex-speed.com/bmr-fabric...ion-bk030.html http://www.apex-speed.com/bmr-fabric...ods-tr002.html http://www.apex-speed.com/bmr-fabric...ms-tca026.html Last edited by enroberts; 05-30-2015 at 08:46 AM.

05-30-2015, 09:19 AM	#8
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Good start with the BMR stuff, but you still will want a better tire. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

05-29-2015, 09:39 PM	#3
enroberts Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS Camaro M6 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Parkesburg, PA Posts: 178	The best was ~2.1. Any more on the gas and the tires broke loose from the line. I am running pzero tires and had them at 24lbs.

05-30-2015, 08:17 AM	#6
94tagt Drives: Pontiac Trans Am Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: lanterne rouge Posts: 97	Umm, won't your tires still go up in smoke? No traction is still no traction.

05-30-2015, 08:22 AM	#7
Quicksilver 1LE Drives: 14 1000HP SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Baytown Posts: 291 View My Garage	I had 2012LS3VERT on this forum put together a rear suspension updgrade that included solid subframe mounts, toe links, upper control arm bushings, and trailing arms. He shipped them to me for only $900. I am at 692rwhp/585rwtrq and I now put the power down. I used to spin 1st-4th and could break the tires loose at 70mph. I don't spin when I take off using Michelin PSS on the street. It's been raining so I have not been able to get to the track and see how I do with my NITTO DR but I will prob break something cause of my upgrades. Look up the you tube video about solid frame mounts. It's unbelievable how much the stock suspension moves around. Do the upgrade I did and you WILL put the power down.

05-30-2015, 10:39 AM	#10
sscamaro Drives: 2010 2SS, 2017 Silverado LTZ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denver,PA Posts: 3,195 View My Garage	You should also replace the lower control arms. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Victory Red, MN6, 1-7/8 Kooks LT Headers, SLP Axle Back, Edelbrock E-Force S/C, ZL1 Fuel Pump, 72# Injectors, JRE fuel rail upgrade, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite Catch Can, Billet Hurst Shifter, DSS 1000HP axles, Spohn Trailing Arms, Toe Links, Lower Control Arms. Chrome American Racing Torq-Thrust wheels. 546/rwhp & 522/rwtq & 10.9# boost Tune by Jeremy Formato.

05-30-2015, 12:15 PM	#12
bct10985 Drives: 2010 2SS LS3, 2013 duramax Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Dover, De Posts: 1,451	I have bmr cradle bushings, toe rods, and trailing arms. Ran a 10.92 with a 1.6 60'. Have drag radials and a zl1 diff though. __________________ ECS Ysi-B, cam, Tsp 2" longtubes, Squash dual pumps, Id1300s, meth, 4L80e, FTI 3600, ZL1 3.73 diff, BMR suspension, 15" conversion, weld rts mt 275 et street R. 9.6@147mph

05-30-2015, 12:37 PM	#14
Nighthawk89 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2Ss M6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 4,013	Contact Tyler at JDP motorsports. He will have the info your looking for.