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Youngone · 01-19-2015, 08:51 PM

Within the next month, i will be doing something to my car. I have a quote on Cam/Heads, but speaking with people I know, they say that super charging the car would be a much better and efficient way to go about business. My purposes will be a street car to enjoy, every now and then track. Lethal Racing offers an ECS (centrifugal) kit and they are close by. It claims 200+ Rwhp. I have a 2013 L99. Procharger and Vortech also claim 200+rwhp. Do any of you have these on your cars, and which do you prefer/better for DD? Also is it possible to do this on a 100% stock car.

Js2fst · 01-19-2015, 09:09 PM

I do 492 rwhp on a land sea dyno with cam and heads intake and tb . But procharger is next for reliability. I would Procharge and wastegate it for upper mid 500 rwhp

BLACK10 · 01-19-2015, 09:14 PM

Hi,

We install a ton of ECS kits, many are on daily driven camaros. The supercharger oil needs to be changed every ~6k miles to ensure a long life. Its a very easy task and it only holds about 4ozs of oil.

The car would other wise drive just like stock untill you hit the gas! We have installed these kits on stock L99 camaros that have over 60k+ miles on them now. With the ECS kit on an other wise stock L99 it would make 520rwhp-550rwhp. The only option i would suggest is an LPE twin fuel pump instead of the fuel pump voltage booster that comes with the kit. The 2013+ camaros tend to be more sensitive with their electronic modules. The twin fuel pump is basically a drop in replacement that is capable of supporting 800RWHP +.

we prefer the ECS kit due to the belt wrap they offer as well as the belt tensioner setup. They come with either a vortech V3 head unit or Paxton Novi 1500 (same supercharger, they are owned by the same company, and are all made in the same building)

we are also very familiar with VVT tuning and use the L99's factory VVT to help gain maximum HP safely!

Please let us know if you have any further questions!

Nick

MadOven · 01-20-2015, 04:47 AM

Im on the other end of your problem. Last summer I tossed a Procharger I-1 on my totally stock 2013. It is a little more on the expensive side of things, but I like that i can basically turn it off when I choose. Car ran great all summer, pulls like crazy at 7psi and has room to grow.

Bo White · 01-20-2015, 07:52 AM

I've got 40k miles on my Paxton 1500. I change the blower oil and engine oil at the same time at 5k miles.

sscamaro · 01-20-2015, 10:52 AM

I have 40K miles on my Edelbrock E-Force S/C and it runs great on the street. See mods below:

Lethal Racing · 01-20-2015, 03:45 PM

alex,

we look forward to the install! Thanks for the call!

NICK

crc91 · 01-20-2015, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Js2fst

I do 492 rwhp on a land sea dyno with cam and heads intake and tb . But procharger is next for reliability. I would Procharge and wastegate it for upper mid 500 rwhp

What would the benefits be to adding a wastegate???

LOBBS · 01-20-2015, 04:59 PM

Procharger. In addition to our fleet of testers we have several guys that daily drive their blown cars (myself soon to be included).

jessrayo · 01-20-2015, 06:50 PM

I know I'm going to open a can of worms here.....but....unless you are looking for more than 700 or 800 whp I would use a pd top mount blower instead of a centrifugal supercharger. Whipple, Maggie, Heartbeat, LSA 1.9, Eforce...etc. I think once the top mount blowers are set-up they are much more trouble free. They will not make crazy horsepower numbers but there are advantages to the engineering. I think that is one reason why GM only uses top mounts on its factory supercharged cars.

And if you want crazy horsepower numbers, think twin turbo.... a set of twin turbos can make enough power to destroy every other part of your driveline......

Rcfiddy1 · 01-20-2015, 07:09 PM

Love my ECS kit. Delete the DOD lifters.

Bo White · 01-20-2015, 07:42 PM

A wastegate is used to limit boost. Like a restrictor plate.

LOBBS · 01-20-2015, 07:54 PM

Otherwise stock and with an L99 the OP has a better chance on not breaking driveline components with a centri blower. Their power comes on in a linear fashion with RPM. A PD blower will have a ton of torque down low which isn't bad with a car as heavy as ours but wheelhop is an axle breaker.

crc91 · 01-20-2015, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo White

A wastegate is used to limit boost. Like a restrictor plate.

Why would you want to limit boost with a supercharger? Do you get like an "over boost" or a boost spike when switching to smaller pullies?

01-19-2015, 08:51 PM	#1
Youngone Drives: Supercharged 2013 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Mississippi Posts: 231	Stock Engine With S/C? HELP Within the next month, i will be doing something to my car. I have a quote on Cam/Heads, but speaking with people I know, they say that super charging the car would be a much better and efficient way to go about business. My purposes will be a street car to enjoy, every now and then track. Lethal Racing offers an ECS (centrifugal) kit and they are close by. It claims 200+ Rwhp. I have a 2013 L99. Procharger and Vortech also claim 200+rwhp. Do any of you have these on your cars, and which do you prefer/better for DD? Also is it possible to do this on a 100% stock car.

01-20-2015, 04:47 AM	#4
MadOven Drives: 2013 Rally Yellow SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 101	Im on the other end of your problem. Last summer I tossed a Procharger I-1 on my totally stock 2013. It is a little more on the expensive side of things, but I like that i can basically turn it off when I choose. Car ran great all summer, pulls like crazy at 7psi and has room to grow. __________________ 2013 Rally Yellow 2SS/RS, Procharger I-1

01-20-2015, 07:52 AM	#5
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,018	I've got 40k miles on my Paxton 1500. I change the blower oil and engine oil at the same time at 5k miles. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

01-20-2015, 10:52 AM	#6
sscamaro Drives: 2010 2SS, 2017 Silverado LTZ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denver,PA Posts: 3,195 View My Garage	I have 40K miles on my Edelbrock E-Force S/C and it runs great on the street. See mods below: __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Victory Red, MN6, 1-7/8 Kooks LT Headers, SLP Axle Back, Edelbrock E-Force S/C, ZL1 Fuel Pump, 72# Injectors, JRE fuel rail upgrade, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite Catch Can, Billet Hurst Shifter, DSS 1000HP axles, Spohn Trailing Arms, Toe Links, Lower Control Arms. Chrome American Racing Torq-Thrust wheels. 546/rwhp & 522/rwtq & 10.9# boost Tune by Jeremy Formato.

01-20-2015, 06:50 PM	#10
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	I know I'm going to open a can of worms here.....but....unless you are looking for more than 700 or 800 whp I would use a pd top mount blower instead of a centrifugal supercharger. Whipple, Maggie, Heartbeat, LSA 1.9, Eforce...etc. I think once the top mount blowers are set-up they are much more trouble free. They will not make crazy horsepower numbers but there are advantages to the engineering. I think that is one reason why GM only uses top mounts on its factory supercharged cars. And if you want crazy horsepower numbers, think twin turbo.... a set of twin turbos can make enough power to destroy every other part of your driveline...... __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.

01-19-2015, 09:09 PM	#2
Js2fst 2010 transformer Drives: 2010 ss camaro Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Lee's summit mo Posts: 591	I do 492 rwhp on a land sea dyno with cam and heads intake and tb . But procharger is next for reliability. I would Procharge and wastegate it for upper mid 500 rwhp

01-19-2015, 09:14 PM	#3
BLACK10 Drives: 2010 CAMARO. 10.04@133mph, 1.4 60' Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 4,585	Hi, We install a ton of ECS kits, many are on daily driven camaros. The supercharger oil needs to be changed every ~6k miles to ensure a long life. Its a very easy task and it only holds about 4ozs of oil. The car would other wise drive just like stock untill you hit the gas! We have installed these kits on stock L99 camaros that have over 60k+ miles on them now. With the ECS kit on an other wise stock L99 it would make 520rwhp-550rwhp. The only option i would suggest is an LPE twin fuel pump instead of the fuel pump voltage booster that comes with the kit. The 2013+ camaros tend to be more sensitive with their electronic modules. The twin fuel pump is basically a drop in replacement that is capable of supporting 800RWHP +. we prefer the ECS kit due to the belt wrap they offer as well as the belt tensioner setup. They come with either a vortech V3 head unit or Paxton Novi 1500 (same supercharger, they are owned by the same company, and are all made in the same building) we are also very familiar with VVT tuning and use the L99's factory VVT to help gain maximum HP safely! Please let us know if you have any further questions! Nick

01-20-2015, 03:45 PM	#7
Lethal Racing Drives: LSx Performance Specialist Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 517	alex, we look forward to the install! Thanks for the call! NICK

01-20-2015, 04:59 PM	#9
LOBBS Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 472 View My Garage	Procharger. In addition to our fleet of testers we have several guys that daily drive their blown cars (myself soon to be included).

01-20-2015, 07:09 PM	#11
Rcfiddy1 Sold car... Drives: 2010 Rally Yellow 2SS/RS #37115 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Manalapan, New Jersey Posts: 2,019 View My Garage	Love my ECS kit. Delete the DOD lifters. __________________ Build Thread ECS Novi 1500 Supercharged, LS3 conversion, Small blower cam, Alky Meth injection, 3:45 rear, BMR Suspension parts, 1LE Sways, Billy Boat ZL1 dual mode exhaust. Last edited by Rcfiddy1; 01-20-2015 at 07:44 PM.

01-20-2015, 07:42 PM	#12
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,018	A wastegate is used to limit boost. Like a restrictor plate. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

01-20-2015, 07:54 PM	#13
LOBBS Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 472 View My Garage	Otherwise stock and with an L99 the OP has a better chance on not breaking driveline components with a centri blower. Their power comes on in a linear fashion with RPM. A PD blower will have a ton of torque down low which isn't bad with a car as heavy as ours but wheelhop is an axle breaker.