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JohnyBoy · 09-15-2015, 10:21 AM

Hey crew,

For my 13' 6 banger (auto trans) i want to install an ark cat back exhaust and a cai intake. Thing is, I saw an episode of two guys garage and they said for llt camaro's, drop the ignition spark by a certain amount for every 50 hp added. (Something along those lines). Anyways, what should I do at the same time as this install to avoid damage to the motor/transmission due to the added torque and power. If I'm not mistaken the v6 auto transmission's are rated for 375hp safely.

I'm all ears,
Thanks guys

spadz93 · 09-15-2015, 10:45 AM

you're not gonna hit a 50hp increase with an axle back and intake. Id imagine not even throwing a tune in would get you to 50hp gain. you should be fine with just bolting up

Splat · 09-15-2015, 10:47 AM

+1

Sales @ CAI Inc · 09-15-2015, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnyBoy

Hey crew,

For my 13' 6 banger (auto trans) i want to install an ark cat back exhaust and a cai intake. Thing is, I saw an episode of two guys garage and they said for llt camaro's, drop the ignition spark by a certain amount for every 50 hp added. (Something along those lines). Anyways, what should I do at the same time as this install to avoid damage to the motor/transmission due to the added torque and power. If I'm not mistaken the v6 auto transmission's are rated for 375hp safely.

I'm all ears,
Thanks guys

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Apex Motorsports · 09-15-2015, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by spadz93

you're not gonna hit a 50hp increase with an axle back and intake. Id imagine not even throwing a tune in would get you to 50hp gain. you should be fine with just bolting up

This. Just bolt on and enjoy.

Warpaint69 · 09-15-2015, 10:54 AM

Love my CAI Inc intake and my Stainless Work Retro Chambered Cat-back, haven't had any issues with either product in the 2 years they've been on my car.

EFI · 09-15-2015, 12:58 PM

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drop the ignition spark by a certain amount for every 50 hp added. (Something along those lines).

They were probably talking about a nitrous appication where you have to retard the timing a certain amount of degrees depending on the size of the shot. Or on a boosted engine doing the same for certain psi levels.

Never heard of the same idea on naturally aspirated engines. If anything, a more efficient engine can handle more timing. Only time you have to start backing timing is if you increase compression.

Plus, I would take the "technical" advice of that show with a grain of salt...

PalmerGA · 09-15-2015, 03:38 PM

Agree with all above... you might get an extra 10 HP out of the cat backs and CAI. Also, just FYI, your 2013 is an LFX engine - not an LLT. Very different animals.

1Coopgt · 09-15-2015, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PalmerGA

Agree with all above... you might get an extra 10 HP out of the cat backs and CAI. Also, just FYI, your 2013 is an LFX engine - not an LLT. Very different animals.

I was wondering how long it was going take for someone to tell the OP he had an LFX .

JantzenOKC · 09-15-2015, 08:57 PM

These V6 auto transmissions are tough!

JohnyBoy · 09-16-2015, 11:53 PM

Thanks for all the replies guys. And I am well aware that my 12' and '13 are LFX's

specsnomin · 09-17-2015, 02:58 AM

you should be fine with just bolting up

Moto-Mojo · 09-17-2015, 10:45 AM

I had a '12 45th V6. I came to the conclusion that they squeezed about as much horsepower as could be asked from the LFX. There may be a few more ponies "sleeping" in there but I'm skeptical. I suppose a turbo would boost things but a wise man once told me, in the hot rod world, you don't get sumpin' fer nothin...meaning a real HP mod/gain will only lead to the NEXT upgrade.

You change one thing because you WANT to, you change three more because you HAVE to! Words to live by...

09-15-2015, 10:21 AM	#1
JohnyBoy Drives: GM car Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: North America Posts: 49	Don't wanna grenade Hey crew, For my 13' 6 banger (auto trans) i want to install an ark cat back exhaust and a cai intake. Thing is, I saw an episode of two guys garage and they said for llt camaro's, drop the ignition spark by a certain amount for every 50 hp added. (Something along those lines). Anyways, what should I do at the same time as this install to avoid damage to the motor/transmission due to the added torque and power. If I'm not mistaken the v6 auto transmission's are rated for 375hp safely. I'm all ears, Thanks guys

09-15-2015, 10:45 AM	#2
spadz93 BUMBL Z Drives: 2015 ZL1 Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 2,573 View My Garage	you're not gonna hit a 50hp increase with an axle back and intake. Id imagine not even throwing a tune in would get you to 50hp gain. you should be fine with just bolting up __________________ Current: 2015 ZL1 M6, Rotofab Intake, LS3 throttle body, 2.55 Upper/9.17 Lower w/ Idler Relocation, DMS Reinforced Brick, ID1050X, 1 7/8" Headers, ProSpeed HX/Reservoir, DSX Aux Pump/Flex Fuel Sensor, E85, McLeod RXT, BMR 1" Drop, Tuned by Pat G Past: 2010 2SS, some bolt ons, 415rwhp/400rwtq

09-15-2015, 10:47 AM	#3
Splat Drives: 2012 1SS M6 IOM Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New Rochelle New York Posts: 1,428 View My Garage	+1 __________________ 2012 1SS Camaro LS3 Inferno Orange Mods: LSA Supercharger, 2.55 Pulley, Custom Boost Cam, ARH LTH 1 7/8, HFC, 3' Magnaflow Exhaust, JLT CAI, Elite CC V2, BO White Stage 2 TB, GM 3.91 Gears, DSS CF Driveshaft, BMR Bushing Kit.... . Tuned by JTM Motorsports 540 Hp 550Tq on 9PSI Axles, Monster Clutch, Hotchkis TVS Track Pack kit.......For 2018.

09-15-2015, 10:54 AM	#6
Warpaint69 Drives: 2013 VR 2SS RS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Kansas Posts: 619	Love my CAI Inc intake and my Stainless Work Retro Chambered Cat-back, haven't had any issues with either product in the 2 years they've been on my car. __________________

09-15-2015, 03:38 PM	#8
PalmerGA Drives: 2013 SIM 1SS/RS L99 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Southwest GA Posts: 8,755 View My Garage	Agree with all above... you might get an extra 10 HP out of the cat backs and CAI. Also, just FYI, your 2013 is an LFX engine - not an LLT. Very different animals. __________________ 2013 1SS/RS Coupe L99, Stainless Power Works LT Headers, SCT X4 Custom Tune from RDP, CAI Inc. Air Intake w/ Apex Scoop, VMAX CNC Ported Throttle Body, Solo Axle-Back Exhaust w/ J-pipes, Apex Catch Can, Husky Splash Guards, Heritage Grille, 3D Carbon Rear Spoiler, Oracle Chrome Turn Signal Bulbs, GM Reverse Light Trim Billets, Gorilla Black Locking Lugs, Emblem Pros Retro SS Badges/Custom Retro SS Kickplates/Under-hood Bowtie, 35% window Tint, Nitto Motivo Tires (6-8-18)

09-15-2015, 08:57 PM	#10
JantzenOKC Drives: '13 2LT/RS Twin Turbo Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma Posts: 3,073	These V6 auto transmissions are tough! __________________ 3.6L Twin Turbo V6 Garrett GT28 turbos -- Jacfab forged connecting rods -- Diamond forged pistons(10.5:1) -- Alky Control Methonal Injection -- CircleD 2E triple disc torque converter -- BMR suspension 10.75 @ 131mph

09-16-2015, 11:53 PM	#11
JohnyBoy Drives: GM car Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: North America Posts: 49	Thanks for all the replies guys. And I am well aware that my 12' and '13 are LFX's

09-17-2015, 02:58 AM	#12
specsnomin Drives: bmw Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: m3 Posts: 4	you should be fine with just bolting up

09-17-2015, 10:45 AM	#13
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,974	I had a '12 45th V6. I came to the conclusion that they squeezed about as much horsepower as could be asked from the LFX. There may be a few more ponies "sleeping" in there but I'm skeptical. I suppose a turbo would boost things but a wise man once told me, in the hot rod world, you don't get sumpin' fer nothin...meaning a real HP mod/gain will only lead to the NEXT upgrade. You change one thing because you WANT to, you change three more because you HAVE to! Words to live by... __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx