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You are assuming that most Ferrari or Lambo owners are enthusiasts or track rats. They aren't. While I would bring one to the track, there will be some reservation on how hard I push it, and I would think most Ferrari/Lambo owners would only track for fun instead of being in it to win it. If you screw up, that gets much more expensive than if you screw up in a Camaro. Realize that you are in the very minority of the crowd that buys a supercar. Heck, most people who buy a Camaro never track them. What matters more to most supercar buyers is the brand. As for presence, that's an easy one. That Ferrari flat-plane crank V8 scream or Lambo V12 roar of anger has infinitely more presence and character than electric motor whine. It basically just goes back to why most here wouldn't consider a performance EV: sure, it's faster, but can it give you the same sensation of being alive? So it boils down to if you are "in it to win it" or you want more raw sensation and engagement. Not saying the former isn't fun, but I think the latter matters to a lot of people as well. Yeah, EV would probably be better at dick-swinging rights but again, since most buyers don't hit the track, fast enough is fast enough on a public road. I don't think most Tesla Roadsters will also end up as track frequents, either. And again, we are talking about a person who has a history of creating vaporware. Hard to cheer for SpaceX when you remember that Hyperloop is a thing, and how Tesla Semi physically just cannot work with some back-of-envolope calculations. Quote:
One time, I went to an open tracking day, and there was a ZL1 there that was getting okay times in advanced group... Except the guy wasn't driving all that well. My friend who has a lot of track experience who was watching said his linework is pretty bad and he was probably mostly relying on the electronic stability system to get some okay times. I also know for a fact that he likes to treat the gas pedal like an on-off switch rather than gradually engage it. Some people have said here that EV stability system could be more advanced, so if the driver is already good, it could be a great aid to that skill.
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Delayed to 2023.
As per Tesla tradition.
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Gotta love it.
Tesla: "Hey look at this cool car/truck/thingy!!!! Pretty awesome isn't it!! You want it!!?? Just put your deposit down now!! ... Availability? ... Maybe in about 5 years"
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Bragging rights are for the benefit of those who bask in the limelight of the performances other people can extract from their cars. Driver satisfaction is internal to the driver extracting those performances - at whatever level he and his car can produce. But I guess that there are drivers who can't see the satisfaction side through the bragging . . . Norm
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It's no secret I'm not a Tesla fan, and I'm willing to eat crow on saying they would go out of business a year or so ago, but take away the Elon Musk magic facade and anyone with half a brain would think this is all a massive scam. The Wikipedia pages for the individual Tesla products are hilarious to read from announcement date and collection of preorder deposits to projected production date to delay to delay to delay. Like someone earlier pointed out, we're coming up on 4 years since the Roadster was announced. It'll be 6, likely 7 years by the time a saleable unit is produced. In less time GM and Ford both will have gone from initial development to production of their own EVs.
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The semi-conductor shortage and covid are providing plausible cover for just about any excuse used these days for just about anything...
A 250K car delayed another year? The Horror!!...lol. I won't lose any sleep over it...lol |
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