2014 1LE vs 2015 Z28

[chipset35]

Originally Posted by SixSpeeder

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How much money are you willing to spend, and how much money are you willing to lose when/if you sell the car? It sounds like you're more interested in the visual attributes of the Z28 rather than all of the performance bits, right?

That is correct, as I dont race at the track or race at all.

[trashmanssd]

[QUOTE=backeddy[/QUOTE]

Well said, I looked at vetts and ZL1's and GT500's and Boss 302's, SRT8's. But really I ended up where I did because I wanted V8 sound and feel, and I liked the look of the 1LE and the Value of it. I will never see past 50% of this cars potential and that's for about 3-4 seconds at most. This car will spend 99.9% of its life using 10-20% of its ability. But it makes me smile every time I drive it and I fell like I am not wasting more money then I can afford to on it.

[chipset35]

Originally Posted by trashmanssd

Well said, I looked at vetts and ZL1's and GT500's and Boss 302's, SRT8's. But really I ended up where I did because I wanted V8 sound and feel, and I liked the look of the 1LE and the Value of it. I will never see past 50% of this cars potential and that's for about 3-4 seconds at most. This car will spend 99.9% of its life using 10-20% of its ability. But it makes me smile every time I drive it and I fell like I am not wasting more money then I can afford to on it.

Yep, the 1LE is a gem, no reason to buy an SS unless its a 1LE, other than if you are the type of person who mods their own cars.
But I can tell you after test driving them over a year ago, it was 1LE all the WAY!

[MRREVINTO7]

Originally Posted by 62nalide

IMO the Z-28 is not worth the price difference track car or not, Ford pretty much will shut GM up with the GT350 and GT350R. The 1LEs are pretty sweet cars and just add some power to them I think they are better then the Z28 for the money. Just sharing my opinion no need to flame it.

This guy always calls it like it is and is definitely an educated guy , you know your stuff bro I love your responses as we are identical in thought process I always go to answer on threads my opinion and I always fine you say what I would have but you beat me to it ..also seems your very honest about all brands even if not a Camaro you say the educated honest truth ..

[pgviper]

Z/28 can be had practically new for between $61k and $65k. For that price, you get:

- extra $10k of motor
- $8k worth of brakes
- aero, gearing, exhaust, intake, suspension, PTM tuning, wheels, tires etc... the list goes on.

If you don't think the z/28 is hell of a value just like the 1LE, then you are either stupid, ignorant or jealous. Both cars are fantastic values for what they are however at different levels of performance.

[Taco Time]

Originally Posted by 62nalide

IMO the Z-28 is not worth the price difference track car or not, Ford pretty much will shut GM up with the GT350 and GT350R. The 1LEs are pretty sweet cars and just add some power to them I think they are better then the Z28 for the money. Just sharing my opinion no need to flame it.

Agreed. I would rather mod a 1LE than have a Z/28. I could never justify that kind of money on a car.

Originally Posted by MRREVINTO7

This guy always calls it like it is and is definitely an educated guy , you know your stuff bro I love your responses as we are identical in thought process I always go to answer on threads my opinion and I always fine you say what I would have but you beat me to it ..also seems your very honest about all brands even if not a Camaro you say the educated honest truth ..

Kiss him on the mouth. Just kidding man, I usually agree with what he says too. He can just write it better than me.

Originally Posted by pgviper

Z/28 can be had practically new for between $61k and $65k. For that price, you get:

- extra $10k of motor
- $8k worth of brakes
- aero, gearing, exhaust, intake, suspension, PTM tuning, wheels, tires etc... the list goes on.

If you don't think the z/28 is hell of a value just like the 1LE, then you are either stupid, ignorant or jealous. Both cars are fantastic values for what they are however at different levels of performance.

I think the Z is an amazing car, but I'd never be interested in one (1. can't afford it if I wanted it. 2. I don't think a car should cost as much as a house... LOL.)

Another thing to consider as a reason I wouldn't get the Z/28, even if I were to track my car, my skill level is such that I could never appreciate the features that the Z offers over the 1LE. Heck, I'm probably at a Mazda Miata skill level. What's the point of a $70k race car if I still need training wheels?

[el ess A]

Unless you make your living driving, nobody NEEDS an SS, 1LE, ZL1 or Z/28. An LS is still a Camaro, and that's all you NEED to have a Camaro. The 1LE is perfectly fine!!!

Everything else is a WANT. No matter what anyone says. Everything else described as a need is BS to me. My dream Camaro was a ZL1 convertible manual. I have that now. It feels right for me. The balance of comfortable street driving and great power levels for a stock street car is a great compromise.

I can afford a Z/28, however, I cannot justify the cost difference between a ZL1 and Z/28 because I am not, nor ever will be, the type of driver the Z/28 deserves to squeeze every performance drop out of it in stock form. If I had one it would be a track car stuck on the street. Simple injustice.

Putting power adders on a Z/28 is simply an ego booster. I'd guess over half the people that have a Z/28 don't (or can't) drive it to the level where the car thrives. But the fact remains the Z/28 is one of the coolest Camaros on the planet.

[DavidCorsaro]

1LE is an excellent street car, okay for light track use out of the box.
Z/28 is an excellent track car, okay for light street use out of the box.

Without mag ride between the two, neither are proper dual purpose machines like some other high end vehicles offered nowadays.

I love my 1LE, but I know its limitations. The Z/28 is the base car you want if you're doing track days... without question. The brakes on the SS is its Achilles heel. My next car will have a brake setup not unlike the Z/28.

[Joseph1LE]

Originally Posted by DavidCorsaro

1LE is an excellent street car, okay for light track use out of the box.
Z/28 is an excellent track car, okay for light street use out of the box.

Without mag ride between the two, neither are proper dual purpose machines like some other high end vehicles offered nowadays.

I love my 1LE, but I know its limitations. The Z/28 is the base car you want if you're doing track days... without question. The brakes on the SS is its Achilles heel. My next car will have a brake setup not unlike the Z/28.

I think saying the 1LE is only good for "light" track use is a bit of an understatement.... It's extremely capable. Yet to get mine to a track day yet but on the street I've taken corners and highway entries pulling in excess of 1G and it just felt almost effortless. Car just hugs the road so well. So while I agree with the contrast of the 1LE being more of a street car and the Z28 being more of a track car, I don't agree to the extent that you went to. I agree that neither are ideal dual purpose cars.

Also how are the brakes a problem...? The 4 piston Brembos have repeatedly proven themselves to be extremely stout on the track. Theres been several comparisons and track cars I've seen in which the 4 pistons were preferred over the 6 piston Brembos. Magazine tests stop distances with the 1LE are impressive as well.... It stops faster than the lighter Track Pack Mustang with 6 piston Brembos and 15 inch rotors... Again I think you're exaggerating a bit here. Too call the brakes an achilles heel is a bit extreme when these brakes have proven themselves not only on the Camaro but on many other cars as well.

[hammdo]

Originally Posted by 43Camaro

Numerous people on this board like to build a car up the way they want it. I do 100 % of the work on my car! minus the tune. So for many who wrench, the ZL1 and Z28 or not good choices. Many members have more money in the builds than the sticker of a ZL1, I agree it will never be a Z28 or ZL1, but I got my hands dirty and won't trade that for a Z28 or any other car. I'm sure many people feel that way on this forum.

I'm not envious of these owners, actually very happy for them. But I would rather start with a low milegage SS used and build a monster my way with my hands. Diffrent strokes for diffrent people. The memories of building my car with my son are worth more than any Z28.

Just my perspective.

^^^
I'm in the same camp. My 2SS was built to be a combo of 1LE/ZL1. Did the majority of the work myself minus tune...

-Don

[BradfordCamaro]

Originally Posted by trashmanssd

I will never see past 50% of this cars potential and that's for about 3-4 seconds at most. This car will spend 99.9% of its life using 10-20% of its ability. But it makes me smile every time I drive it and I fell like I am not wasting more money then I can afford to on it.

THIS.

We all wish we are 'Racers'. But spirited driving is not racing. Finding a long windy road is not racing. Peeling out from a stoplight is not racing.

1LE is more than 95% will ever need and will most likely never use.

[Pushrod Pete]

Originally Posted by DavidCorsaro

1LE is an excellent street car, okay for light track use out of the box.
Z/28 is an excellent track car, okay for light street use out of the box.

Without mag ride between the two, neither are proper dual purpose machines like some other high end vehicles offered nowadays.

I love my 1LE, but I know its limitations. The Z/28 is the base car you want if you're doing track days... without question. The brakes on the SS is its Achilles heel. My next car will have a brake setup not unlike the Z/28.

dont mean to derail this thread, but i noticed your signature. according to some guy named pill on the mustang forums, 1LEs are "trash" in SCCA F street...

[Bizaro]

I need a Formula1 for street cred at cars and coffee

[DavidCorsaro]

Originally Posted by Joseph1LE

I think saying the 1LE is only good for "light" track use is a bit of an understatement.... It's extremely capable. Yet to get mine to a track day yet but on the street I've taken corners and highway entries pulling in excess of 1G and it just felt almost effortless. Car just hugs the road so well. So while I agree with the contrast of the 1LE being more of a street car and the Z28 being more of a track car, I don't agree to the extent that you went to. I agree that neither are ideal dual purpose cars.

Also how are the brakes a problem...? The 4 piston Brembos have repeatedly proven themselves to be extremely stout on the track. Theres been several comparisons and track cars I've seen in which the 4 pistons were preferred over the 6 piston Brembos. Magazine tests stop distances with the 1LE are impressive as well.... It stops faster than the lighter Track Pack Mustang with 6 piston Brembos and 15 inch rotors... Again I think you're exaggerating a bit here. Too call the brakes an achilles heel is a bit extreme when these brakes have proven themselves not only on the Camaro but on many other cars as well.

You cannot use a magazine test as a lone metric for braking capability on a road course. Some of us drive harder and brake deeper than others. Do that fifty, a hundred or more times in one session compared to someone with a lighter foot and less nuts. I'll leave it at that.