Firearms Section

[Silver2SSRS6spd]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

A tip of the hat and a big smile at the decision....'cause if I went any further, I'd break our own politics policy.

I SECOND that!

[Camaro_Corvette]

I really want to try out the xD. Looks like a really good hand cannon.

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by Superman09

alright I have a question for you guys. I am looking into buying a pistol in the near future. I want a polymer gun and a 9mm (skip the knock down power argument, 2 in the chest one in the head it wont matter the size of the hole you will still be dead. Plus when I go shoot its nice to have hi-cap mags). Basically I am down to XD/XDm (preferably m) or the berreta PX4 storm. I have shot the XDm and really like it, I have not shot the PX4 but my dad recently won one in a sporting clays tournament that Im sure he would let me shoot. My question is what are your pros and cons or personal preferences?

I have shot the XD. It's not a bad gun. Nobody I know or have heard of has a px4 storm, so I can't comment on that.

I have used glock for 10 yearsish now and would never consider anything else. (Except a kimber .45)

[monstertodd]

What do you guys think of the Glock 21 short frame?

Any FHE?

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by monstertodd

What do you guys think of the Glock 21 short frame?

Any FHE?

I have played with 1 in a gunshop, but never fired it.

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by monstertodd

What do you guys think of the Glock 21 short frame?

Any FHE?

It's not short frame, lol..it's slim frame. They slimmed up the grip in key area's, the biggest from backstrap to trigger. They didn't shorten the frame at all, however, slimming up the grip did shorten the trigger reach by 3/16" of an inch.

Massad Ayoob's article on the 21SF, slim frame, is what got me to purchase mine. I carried it as a duty weapon for a year. Mine had the standard rail, no picatinny, and still maintained the ambi mag release. I later bought the 30SF to wear on my ankle, but it didn't have the ambi mag release.

The grip slimming was just enough to make it a great big bore. I really loved the ambi mag release, as pulling my index finger off the trigger to drop the mag is a bunch faster then using my thumb.

I got rid of the 21SF and the 30SF when I changed departments. They issue G22s. The 21SF is a bit too big, even slimmed down some, to carry concealed, as is the 30SF. So my G23 now handles that duty, as well as being my ankle gun.

[monstertodd]

Originally Posted by mrray13

It's not short frame, lol..it's slim frame. They slimmed up the grip in key area's, the biggest from backstrap to trigger. They didn't shorten the frame at all, however, slimming up the grip did shorten the trigger reach by 3/16" of an inch.

Incorrect sir. SF = Short Frame. They didn't slim the grip side to side. The frame from the web of your hand to the back of the trigger guard is 3mm shorter than the standard 21. The width of the frame is the same.

This picture should illustrate what I'm talking about.

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by monstertodd

Incorrect sir. SF = Short Frame. They didn't slim the grip side to side. The frame from the web of your hand to the back of the trigger guard is 3mm shorter than the standard 21. The width of the frame is the same.

This picture should illustrate what I'm talking about.

Yep, exactly what I said, the trigger reach is shorter, as illustrated by your pictures.

The grip frame was slimmed up, not shortened. If it was shortened, it would classify it as a compact, ala the 30, which has a shorter, top to bottom, grip frame. The SF is slimmer all the way around, not just the backstrap to trigger, although that is the key measurement.

You know what's funny? I just googled Glock SF, one website shows slim frame in the address, but short frame in the page. I guess we are both right, and both wrong, lol.

BTW, Massad Ayoob calls it a slim frame, was the first article ever out on it. That's why I call it a slim frame, and IMHO, it fits better then short. Again, short to me is top to bottom, slim is the diameter, width, girth, whatever.

Semantics, gotta love'em!!

[Mr_Draco]

Glock 26 vs Springfield XD 9 subcompact.

I'm looking for something for concealed carry and from what I've looked at and handled I've narrowed it down to one of these two. Anybody have any serious recommendations for one or the other?

[UCI CamaroFan]

What do you guys use for hearing protection? If you say none, you are ignorant.

I use the Peltor Tactical 7S electronic ear muffs and Sparkplug earplugs at the same time, for a combined NRR of 58 db.

I'm young and I already have some hearing damage, so I make sure to protect the hearing that I have left.

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by UCI CamaroFan

What do you guys use for hearing protection? If you say none, you are ignorant.

I use the Peltor Tactical 7S electronic ear muffs and Sparkplug earplugs at the same time, for a combined NRR of 58 db.

I'm young and I already have some hearing damage, so I make sure to protect the hearing that I have left.

Depends on what I'm shooting. For most stuff I just use those foam ear plugs but when I shoot my AR or my dads .45 I also wear some ear muffs.

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Glock 26 vs Springfield XD 9 subcompact.

I'm looking for something for concealed carry and from what I've looked at and handled I've narrowed it down to one of these two. Anybody have any serious recommendations for one or the other?

I swear by glock, but you can't go wrong with either of those two.

[v6sonoma]

Originally Posted by UCI CamaroFan

What do you guys use for hearing protection? If you say none, you are ignorant.

I use the Peltor Tactical 7S electronic ear muffs and Sparkplug earplugs at the same time, for a combined NRR of 58 db.

I'm young and I already have some hearing damage, so I make sure to protect the hearing that I have left.

Two pillows and a belt!

[monstertodd]

I wear muffs and foamies. They work great.