[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

If the A10 can handle that much power, what’s the reason for all the TM on the stock tune that limits throttle position in 1st and 3rd? Even at stock power levels it’s restrictive. Is it to preserve the transmission or help with traction?

Traction because the ZL1 isn't designed as a drag car, its designed to be a road racing car first and foremost.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by SATINSTEEL1LE

Its not false because nobody is going to try and put 1500hp or more through a stock trans. But to 1k, the a10 is worthy. If you are looking for more, then you are in a racecar and you arent using stock anything. Dont be an asshole.

Your statement was incorrect, no one was being an a-hole. They were just making a correction and providing factual information.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Traction because the ZL1 isn't designed as a drag car, its designed to be a road racing car first and foremost.

I wish there was different selectable modes if that was the case. Put the car in drag mode, and it'll get rid of all that TM.

[KingLT1]

Even the built A10's do not seem to be lasting very long above 1100whp. That is just a level of power where something will eventually give. Jason has mentioned a few times.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

I wish there was different selectable modes if that was the case. Put the car in drag mode, and it'll get rid of all that TM.

Agreed. Would be nice to have options.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Even the built A10's do not seem to be lasting very long above 1100whp. That is just a level of power where something will eventually give. Jason has mentioned a few times.

Yea, there's a reason why all high HP cars go back to fewer gears. There's too much complexity in the newer transmissions. For all their efficiency which makes them rather strong to a certain point, when ultimate power is what you're after, all roads lead to 2-4 gear transmissions.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Yea, there's a reason why all high HP cars go back to fewer gears. There's too much complexity in the newer transmissions. For all their efficiency which makes them rather strong to a certain point, when ultimate power is what you're after, all roads lead to 2-4 gear transmissions.

It's because there is a lack of tuning parameters in the TCM combined with the lack of upgradeable parts. The TCM file for a A10 is generic as it gets. There is more adjustability in a 4l60e file from 20 years ago. And for 1/4 mile racing, you don't need all of those gears with a power adder car. If it was a NA build screaming to 10k rpm, then you could make a case for needing 5 gears in the 1/4mile.

[Camaroking98]

I appreciate the help and further insight. I'm pretty happy I don't have to build the trans yet haha. Saves me some $$ lol

[XXX ZL1]

Hp Tuners has done us tuners no favors with A10 tuning. Very limited compared to other platforms. Stock trans will be great at 850 if tuning is correct. Even into the 900’s if airflow and torque data is dialed in. Pure has been doing pretty well with their 10 speed stuff on higher output builds. Jason runs it at 1400+, but no one knows how long it will last.

[MartinLe]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

It's because there is a lack of tuning parameters in the TCM combined with the lack of upgradeable parts. The TCM file for a A10 is generic as it gets. There is more adjustability in a 4l60e file from 20 years ago. And for 1/4 mile racing, you don't need all of those gears with a power adder car. If it was a NA build screaming to 10k rpm, then you could make a case for needing 5 gears in the 1/4mile.

See NHRA Pro Stock 5 speed manual. And, if I'm not mistaken, the Pro Mod class runs two to five speed autos and manuals with a gobs of hp. One of the top Pro Mod guys uses a three speed auto.

[1sickzl1]

Originally Posted by JBones81

what about with the manuals? I don't plan to get nuts with this car, but then again I havent planned that with any previous cars but they always end up seeing tons of mods LOL

I'm wondering the same thing...

[radz28]

I'm not suggesting A10s are good to this power, but LMP's ZL1, making around mid-900s to the tires, burned their A10-up. I don't know about the tuning or history behind that build (I'd watched all the videos on the channel, but there wasn't much mention of that car), but that tranny started giving up before 1K to the tires.

That's a lot, IMO. It sure seems like people think it's not. lol

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by radz28

I'm not suggesting A10s are good to this power, but LMP's ZL1, making around mid-900s to the tires, burned their A10-up. I don't know about the tuning or history behind that build (I'd watched all the videos on the channel, but there wasn't much mention of that car), but that tranny started giving up before 1K to the tires.

That's a lot, IMO. It sure seems like people think it's not. lol

A HUGE part of this is the tuning. If you want the last .2 seconds out of your combo you can get it and your transmission will die much sooner. I’ve chosen to leave all of my upshift torque management in place. Is it costing me time? I’m sure. But the car stays stable during the upshifts and the transmission has taken a beating for a few years now with no issues. I’m sure that will not be the case forever though…

[1sickzl1]

Anyone know what the M6 stock tranny limits are?