[Bhobbs]

Not when you market it as the most track capable Mustang ever. Even the base SS Camaro comes standard with trans, oil and diff coolers. They shouldn't expect the base or tech cars to run hours at 10/10ths, but 15 minutes in cool weather is too much? I wouldn't be happy with that.

[RLHMARINES]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

I don't understand how Ford could make it right. These buyers bought the non-tracking street car version of the car and expect it to track well? There is nothing to make right, they knew what they bought.

Except every GT350 is marketed as a track capable car by Ford but it cannot do a basic HPDE session without the coolers installed. You could go rent a GT from Hertz and have no issues except to maybe do brake fluid change to Dot4 and not go into limp mode, with the tech or base GT350 this is not possible from what we are learning. I guess we should be very pleased that Al.O and team Camaro has always seen fit to install the basic necessary equipment standard in our cars even while a few here but mostly other forums experts elsewhere say it was overkill on the SS.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Not when you market it as the most track capable Mustang ever. Even the base SS Camaro comes standard with trans, oil and diff coolers. They shouldn't expect the base or tech cars to run hours at 10/10ths, but 15 minutes in cool weather is too much? I wouldn't be happy with that.

They don't. The ONLY GT350 trim level marketed as the most track-capable Mustang is the GT350R. Find me one piece of marketing material from Ford that states otherwise.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by titanfan

They don't. The ONLY GT500 trim level marketed as the most track-capable Mustang is the GT350R. Find me one piece of marketing material from Ford that states otherwise.

Fair enough, they market the R as the most track capable Mustang ever. Still, they call it a GT350, which is well known as a track Mustang.

I don't remember seeing anything about overheating issues with the BOSS 302. Supposedly you own a GT350 or two. Do you think it's acceptable for a track oriented Mustang to overheat after 10 minutes on the track?

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Fair enough, they market the R as the most track capable Mustang ever. Still, they call it a GT350, which is well known as a track Mustang.

I don't remember seeing anything about overheating issues with the BOSS 302. Supposedly you own a GT350 or two. Do you think it's acceptable for a track oriented Mustang to overheat after 10 minutes on the track?

The Boss 302 would overheat with the stock "oil cooler"...when that was removed it did fine.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by titanfan

They don't. The ONLY GT500 trim level marketed as the most track-capable Mustang is the GT350R. Find me one piece of marketing material from Ford that states otherwise.

I've not seen anything official from Ford, but you will find multiple media outlets using that phrase with just "GT350". Confusion always ensures with you have to add a package to a car to get the performance talked about in headlines. Not sure I would blame Ford, but obviously someone should have done better market research and buyer education.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Fair enough, they market the R as the most track capable Mustang ever. Still, they call it a GT350, which is well known as a track Mustang.

I don't remember seeing anything about overheating issues with the BOSS 302. Supposedly you own a GT350 or two. Do you think it's acceptable for a track oriented Mustang to overheat after 10 minutes on the track?

GT350 is a trim with different options based on what you want to do with it. They have the track capable version, the comfortable street version, and the base.

Nobody buys a base pickup truck and then gets angry when they can't tow the Titanic with it. Every car has it's limits and it's intended uses.

If the track pack cars were over heating, then that would be a real issue.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

GT350 is a trim with different options based on what you want to do with it. They have the track capable version, the comfortable street version, and the base.

Nobody buys a base pickup truck and then gets angry when they can't tow the Titanic with it. Every car has it's limits and it's intended uses.

If the track pack cars were over heating, then that would be a real issue.

Have you ever been on a car forum? Complaining about things you should know about a car before buying it is one of the number one types of threads lol

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[RLHMARINES]

It's a serious enough issue that Ford has changed the basic package going forward....just as GM was beaten up with their past issues it's now Fords time in the spotlight...so to speak.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

GT350 is a trim with different options based on what you want to do with it. They have the track capable version, the comfortable street version, and the base.

Nobody buys a base pickup truck and then gets angry when they can't tow the Titanic with it. Every car has it's limits and it's intended uses.

If the track pack cars were over heating, then that would be a real issue.

Well, the GT350 isn't the base car. The name implies track performance. Everything about the car is geared for track performance, except for the cooling system.

The truck comparison would work if the base F150 came with a bed but you if you actually put something in there, it would bend the frame and saying "if you want to use the bed of the truck, you need the HD version".

Obviously, it is an issue or Ford wouldn't have made the track pack standard for all future GT350s.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by titanfan

They don't. The ONLY GT350 trim level marketed as the most track-capable Mustang is the GT350R. Find me one piece of marketing material from Ford that states otherwise.

The official GT350 brochure states:

"Carroll Shelby created his original 1965 GT350 to achieve ultra-quick lap times on road courses - exactly what the men and women at Ford Performance did with this new GT350."

Notice that it didn't state GT350 with the track pack or GT350R.

Also the Ford.com website states:

"• Braking
The foundation of any sports car is undoubtedly the brakes; therefore, brakes are a major part of the GT350 magic. So we teamed front and rear Brembo® with cross-drilled, two-piece, highly-engineered brake rotors. The huge 395mm (15.5”) rotors up front and 376mm (14.8”) rotors in the back complete this tight, hard working system that gives GT350 its well-earned track cred."

Notice the last sentence? The brakes give the GT350 its well-earned track cred.

It also states:

"• Aerodynamics
Balancing downforce with aerodynamic drag is always one of the biggest challenges a team of car designers can face. But Ford did it with a unique, detailed approach that centered on making it imperative that every single component play a major part in the total overall performance of the system. It’s a very hard thing to pull off, but our team of designers and engineers wouldn’t settle for less. So it’s not just that the GT350 has wider aluminum front fenders and a unique aluminum hood. It’s also that the front and rear fascias, splitter, rockers and rear valance with integrated diffuser all work together as a team – each and every one of them. And only as a team working together can this system keep the beautiful, powerful, exciting and intimidating GT350 racer pressed firmly to the track."

Again, notice the last sentence? The intimidating GT350... firmly to the TRACK. Not road, not driveway, not airport runway, not outer space. TRACK! And nothing states or even implies that you need the track pack or R version.

Another quote from the Ford website:

"What truly sets this Beast apart is that the Shelby GT350® isn’t just a combination of “go fast” parts ­– any tuner can build one of those. The GT350 is a specifically engineered machine, where the components work dynamically together as one and perform to a world-class level on all fronts, as well as meeting Ford durability standards"

So the GT350 meets the "Ford durability standards", which apparently anyone would be a fool to assume includes not overheating on the warm-up lap of an HPDE event in cool weather without the optional coolers, even though most all the other cars in the world can.

The page for the 2015 GT350 NEVER mentions the term "GT350R". Here's the link:

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/201...#page=Feature4

They were clearly promoting the GT350 as a track capable car. Who builds a track capable car that isn't track capable unless you get additional options? That is like selling a pickup truck that you can't put a grain of sand in the bed unless you get an additional "haul stuff in the bed" package.

[Snoman]

I'm in awe this thread is still trolling....the GT350 was pronounced pointless with the release of the 6th gen.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by Snoman

I'm in awe this thread is still trolling....the GT350 was pronounced pointless with the release of the 6th gen.

That's not my opinion. Assuming that the cooling issue gets fixed, the GT350 looks like it would be a lot of fun on a road course. I would love to drive one sometime. I respect Ford's efforts to make a high revving N/A motor and re-create the legendary GT350. I am sure it will bring a lot of car enthusiasts a great deal of enjoyment. If I was filthy rich, I would probably own one (along with a lot of other cool cars).

But, I think it is fair to say the that the folks that bought the base and tech pack GT350's have a legitimate beef that they can't get past the warm-up laps on a road course on a non-hot day without going into limp mode. Some other folks are bashing those guys saying that they should have known better. Now the question is, how will Ford respond? Time will tell...

[oldman]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

The official GT350 brochure states:

"Carroll Shelby created his original 1965 GT350 to achieve ultra-quick lap times on road courses - exactly what the men and women at Ford Performance did with this new GT350."

Notice that it didn't state GT350 with the track pack or GT350R.

Also the Ford.com website states:

"• Braking
The foundation of any sports car is undoubtedly the brakes; therefore, brakes are a major part of the GT350 magic. So we teamed front and rear Brembo® with cross-drilled, two-piece, highly-engineered brake rotors. The huge 395mm (15.5”) rotors up front and 376mm (14.8”) rotors in the back complete this tight, hard working system that gives GT350 its well-earned track cred."

Notice the last sentence? The brakes give the GT350 its well-earned track cred.

It also states:

"• Aerodynamics
Balancing downforce with aerodynamic drag is always one of the biggest challenges a team of car designers can face. But Ford did it with a unique, detailed approach that centered on making it imperative that every single component play a major part in the total overall performance of the system. It’s a very hard thing to pull off, but our team of designers and engineers wouldn’t settle for less. So it’s not just that the GT350 has wider aluminum front fenders and a unique aluminum hood. It’s also that the front and rear fascias, splitter, rockers and rear valance with integrated diffuser all work together as a team – each and every one of them. And only as a team working together can this system keep the beautiful, powerful, exciting and intimidating GT350 racer pressed firmly to the track."

Again, notice the last sentence? The intimidating GT350... firmly to the TRACK. Not road, not driveway, not airport runway, not outer space. TRACK! And nothing states or even implies that you need the track pack or R version.

Another quote from the Ford website:

"What truly sets this Beast apart is that the Shelby GT350® isn’t just a combination of “go fast” parts *– any tuner can build one of those. The GT350 is a specifically engineered machine, where the components work dynamically together as one and perform to a world-class level on all fronts, as well as meeting Ford durability standards"

So the GT350 meets the "Ford durability standards", which apparently anyone would be a fool to assume includes not overheating on the warm-up lap of an HPDE event in cool weather without the optional coolers, even though most all the other cars in the world can.

The page for the 2015 GT350 NEVER mentions the term "GT350R". Here's the link:

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/201...#page=Feature4

They were clearly promoting the GT350 as a track capable car. Who builds a track capable car that isn't track capable unless you get additional options? That is like selling a pickup truck that you can't put a grain of sand in the bed unless you get an additional "haul stuff in the bed" package.

POWNED we are unworthy..