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94blackcamaroz28 · 06-29-2006, 03:02 PM

Guys, for the most part, cant we assume that GM will produce the camaro once again? I mean look Ford has brought back the Mustang. Now mind you, I hate mustangs with a passion, but you have to admit they dont look that bad, and they are selling a boat load of them. If GM doesnt bring back the stang stomper what will they bring out? I mean the GTO is not exactly a muscle car, hell it looks like a grand prix sedan, not the old body lines of the goat. So GM has to do something, and this something is bring back the camaro.

Now lets talk about options...Z28...SS....ZL1...V6... GM will have to address each of these I think. And of course produce a convertible

A V-6 is a must for people who want a break on their insurance, especially young drivers. But why not throw in the 6speed transmission and do away with the 5speed? Put 4.10 gears in the rear and add the 6speed, which will compensate for the HP loss since its not a V8.

As far as the Z28 and the SS...I dont know that much differences btw the 2. Now I realize the SS comes with different wheels, badges, and maybe some more horsepower...what was is the main diff? I know in my 4th gen, there was a 30 - 35 hp difference. And a different hood and wheels.

Now what I would like to talk about...the ZL1...GM came out with 69 ZL1 '69 camaros and two 69 corvettes. They had the 427 engine with a boat-load of HP. Now, granted if GM brings out the camaro...the Z28 model will have 400hp eating up the Mustang GT...but what is going to compete with the Mustang GT500? The corvette will walk all over the GT500...personally I think the only domestic car that will even compete with the ZO6 is the Viper...but thats my personal opinion. Therefore, GM needs to bring back the ZL1. Lets say GM brings out the camaro in '09. Of course the Z06 will have more HP, so why not throw the stock 427 engine from the current Z06 into a camaro and call it a ZL1?

Now, what about pricing? GM has to stay competitive with the market, and make these babies affordable.

V-6 model this has to stay less than 22K to compete with Ford
Z28 model what do you think is a good price? I'd say <28K
SS model roughly 2-3K more than the Z28
ZL1 model ford claims that the GT500 will be less than what 45K? So make the ZL1 roughly the same price.

I know that I have talked quite a bit here, but I know as well as any other avid camaro guru that thought of GM bring back this car is keeping everyone on the edge of their seats.

Feel free to make any comments, I'm curious as to what you guys think of my synopsis.

montez34 · 07-01-2006, 01:51 PM

If those were the options, sign me up for an ss

montez34 · 07-01-2006, 01:52 PM

oh by the way, the msrp for the gt500 is 42,500 according to fords website, but yeah good estimate on the prices of the camaro hopefully gm wont overprice because i want an affordable ss if they even make an ss

FTI-EDC · 07-02-2006, 05:50 PM

I really don't think the GTO was/is a design issue. After all, it's a Monaro, not a "start from scratch" vehicle!

As for the new Camaro...

Hurry up and build it. I have a ton of ideas to get to market for this Mustang killer!

Ed

94blackcamaroz28 · 07-05-2006, 06:30 AM

Thanks for the input guys. 42500 isnt a bad price for the GT500. I just hope that they revive the ZL1, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

94blackcamaroz28 · 07-05-2006, 06:32 AM

Ed, I didnt mean to knock the GTO at all. I mean it is an impressive performance car and I have actually ridden in one. They definitely get up and go. I guess I was just looking for the old Judge that Pontiac once had thats all. And as for the camaro...bring the dam thing back!

BlacLac02 · 07-12-2006, 06:28 AM

i like the idea you have aof putting the z06 motor in as a special package. when the new camaro comes out i was planning on goign to the dealership and ordering one and i was goign to see if they could do a custom order. i wanted to see if they could put the 427 in for me. i dont know what the chances would be that they would do this for me but i thought it would be pretty cool if they could.

doing the 427 is an option for getting at the gt500 but i also think that they need to do like ford does and get help from someone like they have carol shelby helping them on this. chevy should team up with lingenfelter and just build a monster to cream the gt500

LouT · 07-16-2006, 02:24 PM

I think a ZL1 would work well for the camaro and sell enough to make it worth it for GM. I know myself and plenty of other ppl that would want the power of the Z06 corvette but in a car that isnt the corvette, something with some more room, a backseat and that can still be used for everyday use instead of a roadster/coupe kinda car that the corvette is.

Bruno · 07-17-2006, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlacLac02

i like the idea you have aof putting the z06 motor in as a special package. when the new camaro comes out i was planning on goign to the dealership and ordering one and i was goign to see if they could do a custom order. i wanted to see if they could put the 427 in for me. i dont know what the chances would be that they would do this for me but i thought it would be pretty cool if they could.

yah I think we all like the idea of Z06 engine in this car but at what cost

Hah do any dealers really allow you go choose engines like that

BlacLac02 · 07-19-2006, 02:01 PM

if you got enough money they will do what ever you want them to do. back in the late 60's-70's you could chose from like 3 or maybe 4 different motors for a car. and what trim package you wanted. i dont see why you wouldnt be able to have the 7.0l put in since it is a real motor that gm produces. its not like a fable creature that doesnt exist. its out there and its possible. especially if they already were talking about having"100 extra horses on tap" for the gt500. it will be an option. maybe not right away but 1-2 years after

Rebeka Camaro · 07-26-2006, 02:00 PM

I'm gonna get me a 1LE (allways wanted one), and get the biggest Rustang killer they make.

wirewilly · 08-01-2006, 10:53 AM

Don't forget the Challenger. The 6.1 425hp is just for starters. A 500 plus hp 6.4 will be seen in 09 or 10. There are those of us out here in our mid to upper 40's who just missed the horsepower ride in the 60's & 70's because we were born a bit too late. No excuses now. I've been gagging over minivans, 4 cylinders, and suvs long enough!!!!! I WANT A BIG BLOCK, BIG HORSEPOWER, MUSCLECAR, PERIOD. And I've got $40,000 to $50,000 to spend on it!!

Moose · 08-01-2006, 12:23 PM

I'll bet that once the new Camaro is out (fingers crossed that it it produced), you will see a few dealers offering special models, ie., Tom Hery, Berger, etc.

deichevy · 08-11-2006, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose

I'll bet that once the new Camaro is out (fingers crossed that it it produced), you will see a few dealers offering special models, ie., Tom Hery, Berger, etc.

We make ZL1 motors every day look at the 6.2 Escalade Motor.
We are ready for whatever it takes Green or Muscle

06-29-2006, 03:02 PM	#1
94blackcamaroz28 Drives: 94 Black Camaro Z28 6 Speed Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 6	ZL1 Camaro Guys, for the most part, cant we assume that GM will produce the camaro once again? I mean look Ford has brought back the Mustang. Now mind you, I hate mustangs with a passion, but you have to admit they dont look that bad, and they are selling a boat load of them. If GM doesnt bring back the stang stomper what will they bring out? I mean the GTO is not exactly a muscle car, hell it looks like a grand prix sedan, not the old body lines of the goat. So GM has to do something, and this something is bring back the camaro. Now lets talk about options...Z28...SS....ZL1...V6... GM will have to address each of these I think. And of course produce a convertible A V-6 is a must for people who want a break on their insurance, especially young drivers. But why not throw in the 6speed transmission and do away with the 5speed? Put 4.10 gears in the rear and add the 6speed, which will compensate for the HP loss since its not a V8. As far as the Z28 and the SS...I dont know that much differences btw the 2. Now I realize the SS comes with different wheels, badges, and maybe some more horsepower...what was is the main diff? I know in my 4th gen, there was a 30 - 35 hp difference. And a different hood and wheels. Now what I would like to talk about...the ZL1...GM came out with 69 ZL1 '69 camaros and two 69 corvettes. They had the 427 engine with a boat-load of HP. Now, granted if GM brings out the camaro...the Z28 model will have 400hp eating up the Mustang GT...but what is going to compete with the Mustang GT500? The corvette will walk all over the GT500...personally I think the only domestic car that will even compete with the ZO6 is the Viper...but thats my personal opinion. Therefore, GM needs to bring back the ZL1. Lets say GM brings out the camaro in '09. Of course the Z06 will have more HP, so why not throw the stock 427 engine from the current Z06 into a camaro and call it a ZL1? Now, what about pricing? GM has to stay competitive with the market, and make these babies affordable. V-6 model this has to stay less than 22K to compete with Ford Z28 model what do you think is a good price? I'd say <28K SS model roughly 2-3K more than the Z28 ZL1 model ford claims that the GT500 will be less than what 45K? So make the ZL1 roughly the same price. I know that I have talked quite a bit here, but I know as well as any other avid camaro guru that thought of GM bring back this car is keeping everyone on the edge of their seats. Feel free to make any comments, I'm curious as to what you guys think of my synopsis.

07-26-2006, 02:00 PM	#11
Rebeka Camaro Drives: '99 Z28, '95 Z28, '95 B4C, '67 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Eastern Oregon Posts: 4	I'm gonna get me a 1LE (allways wanted one), and get the biggest Rustang killer they make. __________________ '99 Z28 (Rebeka) '95 Z28 (Dita) '95 B4C (Heidi) '67 Cpe (Elizabeth) '67 'Brd [I]project

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07-01-2006, 01:51 PM	#2
montez34 Drives: monte carlo z34 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: lex ky Posts: 30	If those were the options, sign me up for an ss

07-01-2006, 01:52 PM	#3
montez34 Drives: monte carlo z34 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: lex ky Posts: 30	oh by the way, the msrp for the gt500 is 42,500 according to fords website, but yeah good estimate on the prices of the camaro hopefully gm wont overprice because i want an affordable ss if they even make an ss

07-02-2006, 05:50 PM	#4
FTI-EDC The stick man Drives: 2004 GTO - C5 'vert - SRX Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the new shop... working 24/7 Posts: 151	I really don't think the GTO was/is a design issue. After all, it's a Monaro, not a "start from scratch" vehicle! As for the new Camaro... Hurry up and build it. I have a ton of ideas to get to market for this Mustang killer! Ed

07-05-2006, 06:30 AM	#5
94blackcamaroz28 Drives: 94 Black Camaro Z28 6 Speed Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 6	Thanks for the input guys. 42500 isnt a bad price for the GT500. I just hope that they revive the ZL1, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

07-05-2006, 06:32 AM	#6
94blackcamaroz28 Drives: 94 Black Camaro Z28 6 Speed Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 6	Ed, I didnt mean to knock the GTO at all. I mean it is an impressive performance car and I have actually ridden in one. They definitely get up and go. I guess I was just looking for the old Judge that Pontiac once had thats all. And as for the camaro...bring the dam thing back!

07-12-2006, 06:28 AM	#7
BlacLac02 Banned Drives: 2002 Cadillac Escalade & STS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canton,Oh Posts: 263	i like the idea you have aof putting the z06 motor in as a special package. when the new camaro comes out i was planning on goign to the dealership and ordering one and i was goign to see if they could do a custom order. i wanted to see if they could put the 427 in for me. i dont know what the chances would be that they would do this for me but i thought it would be pretty cool if they could. doing the 427 is an option for getting at the gt500 but i also think that they need to do like ford does and get help from someone like they have carol shelby helping them on this. chevy should team up with lingenfelter and just build a monster to cream the gt500

07-16-2006, 02:24 PM	#8
LouT Drives: Camaro SS Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 11	I think a ZL1 would work well for the camaro and sell enough to make it worth it for GM. I know myself and plenty of other ppl that would want the power of the Z06 corvette but in a car that isnt the corvette, something with some more room, a backseat and that can still be used for everyday use instead of a roadster/coupe kinda car that the corvette is.

07-19-2006, 02:01 PM	#10
BlacLac02 Banned Drives: 2002 Cadillac Escalade & STS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canton,Oh Posts: 263	if you got enough money they will do what ever you want them to do. back in the late 60's-70's you could chose from like 3 or maybe 4 different motors for a car. and what trim package you wanted. i dont see why you wouldnt be able to have the 7.0l put in since it is a real motor that gm produces. its not like a fable creature that doesnt exist. its out there and its possible. especially if they already were talking about having"100 extra horses on tap" for the gt500. it will be an option. maybe not right away but 1-2 years after

08-01-2006, 10:53 AM	#12
wirewilly Drives: 96 Eldorado Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: PA Posts: 36	Don't forget the Challenger. The 6.1 425hp is just for starters. A 500 plus hp 6.4 will be seen in 09 or 10. There are those of us out here in our mid to upper 40's who just missed the horsepower ride in the 60's & 70's because we were born a bit too late. No excuses now. I've been gagging over minivans, 4 cylinders, and suvs long enough!!!!! I WANT A BIG BLOCK, BIG HORSEPOWER, MUSCLECAR, PERIOD. And I've got $40,000 to $50,000 to spend on it!!

08-01-2006, 12:23 PM	#13
Moose Moderator Drives: '99 Camaro SS #1392 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newtown, Pa. Posts: 3,982	I'll bet that once the new Camaro is out (fingers crossed that it it produced), you will see a few dealers offering special models, ie., Tom Hery, Berger, etc.