2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[spyderbuddy]

Originally Posted by J666

Ford (SVT) is suppling their packages.

Whats your next excuse?

1) Windshield wipers are too small?
2) The horn isn't too loud?

The GT500 spanked the ZL-1. Get over it.

Why should I get over it, I really don't care. I drive a V6 and according to all you V8 guys Everything Outruns the V6 Camaro.

So you get over it.

Mods I did not start This.

[DBS]

Originally Posted by hognutz

you do relize that the ZL1 was faster around VIR than the ford GT. it also was 6 seconds a lap faster than the 2012 GT500 which is not on par that is major league destruction.

the Z06 Z07 and ZR1 will dominate the GT500 but they are so much more they should.

Ford people use the same twisted logic they say camaro people use to justify that the GT500 hangs with the top vetts. it doesn't but it shouldn't.

Post a link for this. I want to see where it says the zl1 is faster around VIR than a ford gt. I didn't even know they put the ford gt on VIR. The ford gt was beating on ferrari at the time it was released.

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

I'm really looking forward to some track comparisons. Hell, I'd buy tickets to this grudge match. They should put it on prime time.

Something I didn't realize until today is that the shelby track pack is $6500 extra. That explains a few things. I was wondering how they could get the HP AND the track ability all for the same price as the zl1.

I believe the SVT package and the Track pack might total up near 6,500.

I paid 56,4xx for my car. Base + Recaros.

I'm pretty interested to see how it compares to the PP/TP cars. I'd imagine it will still be quite close.

Same brakes, same power, same tires.

[ShadowSky]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

It's definetly not a car for the novice, but if you respect it's power it's a very rewarding car to drive on the track. Have you driven one on a track before ?

But...if you think a 505 HP Z06 is a "hand full", what do you think a 662 HP 3800 lbs GT500 would be, with even smaller tires...trying to keep up with a Z06 ?

i do think its a hand full having driven the c5 and c6 Z's will all traction stuff off they are a hand full and are notorious spinning. One of my old projects was the same weight as a Z and more power on a 295s was a lil bit easier to toss in the corners and more predictable, she was not a factory stock car either.

But the truth is the Z06 is not 505 rwhp! 505 suggested BHP, its more like around 425-450 ish compared to a GT500 that's 662BHP and around 600 at the tire with very lil over steer.. Then again this is not about a Z06 and its 20k tag difference its about the Zl1 and GT500...

For me i love both of them. If i had it to spend i would get both. Or since camaro seems to always need back up from the vette to try to win these arguments i would get all 3! don't You guys with the Z's think yall should be more concerned with the new vipers then mustangs?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Actually road & track ran a 12.9 with the zl1.

Yeah I forgot about the GT-R comparo.

That is definitely a horrible time for the zl1, but so is a 12.3 for a 2013 gt500. Listen, i understand what you're getting at, in some situations the zl1 will win against a poorly driven gt500, but the term "drivers race," as it is understood by the majority of the car community, means a close race with similar driving in equal conditions. Comparing best times, average times, and worst times, there is a .5-.7 difference between the two cars as far as the magazines are concerned. 11.6 vs 12.1, 11.9 vs 12.4, 12.3 vs 12.9 are the numbers i used. That is a huge difference in the quarter. I ran 13.3 in my car stock and a few mags ran 13.1-13.3. Now if i said a stock 2005 sti and 2010 ss were a drivers race, this forum would go up in flames, but the difference there is even smaller than the cars this thread is about...

I'm going to hold off judgement on what defines a horrible time for a GT500 until more than 3 rags post times or until some actual owners run it. The only way that is a horrible time is if mid 11s is the norm for the GT500. I'm not so sure that is going to be the case yet. Come on now mr. economist, you don't have a representative sample with only 3 data points. My only point is that the average driver is not going to be able to crank out mid 11s in a 660HP car; that's a lot of car to handle. And the fact that two of the rags posted 12.2 and 12.3 provides some evidence for that point.

In regards to your STi comment, it should't go in flames but I know it would too.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

From Motor Authority :

In short, the 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 is an immensely impressive, capable, and outright fast car.

But there's something missing. The mojo. The infectious, addictive character that makes it impossible to step out of the driver's seat on a track day. The sense of anticipation that wakes you up early on a Saturday morning, keys in hand.

It's hard to explain how a really well-executed, high-power, blazingly quick car can come up just a bit short on the fun factor, but the GT500 somehow does. It pains me a bit to admit it, but it's true.

Not that it's not fun--it is--it's just not nearly as fun as you might expect. It doesn't have the magic some cars have. Having driven each of the previous years' GT500s back through 2009, nearly every year bringing significant advances in performance, power, or both, the 2013 GT500 certainly delivers on paper. It even delivers on the track, be it a road course or the drag strip. But it just doesn't deliver a noticeable upgrade in giddiness.

There are a few other areas where the mega-GT500 leaves a bit to be desired, too: the still-just-a-Mustang interior (though at this price point, we don't count it as a fault; it's just reality); the braking at high speeds lacks some initial bite, likely as a compromise for that easy around-town nature, but we'd really like a bit more whoa when applying the stoppers above 130 mph; and the sound, while very throaty and aggressive, can be a bit too much, a bit too loud, unless you're just loping along in high gear; and speaking of gears, the gearing is just too tall.

If you're making regular 200-mph runs, it's probably just right. Likewise, it's very well matched to the drag strip, requiring just two shifts to get to third gear and trap speeds above 120 mph. But between the GT500's stout 3,852-pound curb weight (or 3,970 for the convertible), and the tall gears, acceleration just isn't the Hammer Of Thor experience you expect. Sixty miles per hour comes in just 3.7 seconds--all in first gear--and 100 mph takes just 7.9 seconds, but the numbers don't relate the experience behind the wheel.

After a couple of days thrashing the 2013 Shelby GT500 on the street, the course at Road Atlanta, and at the drag strip, I came away incredibly impressed at the technical and technological prowess SVT and Shelby have managed to pack into what began life as a Mustang, for a price on par with an upper-mid-range sports car. I even came away with a smile. But I didn't come away wanting to buy one.

[richtor]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I wasn't aware that MPH gets you to the end of the drag strip quicker.

No mph does not but LC that works sure does! You are also looking at 11.5 vs 12.1, or 125 vs 117. None of these factors favors the zl1 or is even, even with the zl1.

12 gt500 vs 12 zl1 is a drivers race.
13 gt500 vs 12 zl1 is not!

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I believe the SVT package and the Track pack might total up near 6,500.

Previously I thought the track pack was only $3k, but then I realized today that you can't get the track pack without the perf pack.

And I don't think you can take it to the track without a track pack.

[Modern07]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

...now ....lemme go feed 'Bro Zeke - V 2.0' another Mustang - he's hungry.....

Hmmmm....Stage 2?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by richtor

No mph does not but LC that works sure does!

It definitely worked for the drivers of Car and Driver and Road and Track... oh wait.

[alex33x]

I was a ford man for about 15 years, I owned 7 mustangs. That all changed the day I got my 2010 2SS. I was converted immediately and I would never go back, even if they put 1000hp for the same price as the ZL1.

I'm just dying to get my ZL1 I was one of those who got skipped to 2013. I could always order a Shelby but I much rather have a ZL1.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by Modern07

Hmmmm....Stage 2?

hmmm....thinking along the same lines, but could be wrong.

[8cd03gro]

I think once the shiney newness wears off people will realize they didn't buy thir car because of the bragging rights. Buying a car is about preference and personal enjoyment. I don't like to talk about my car here as it's not the taste of many and very off topic, but it applies here big time. The evo and sti guys used to go round and round all day. The evo(9) is the better performer in almost every regard stock and with bolt ons, but ya know what? You wouldn't catch me owning one in 1,000 lifetimes and i can't even explain why. That may not quite be the case with the gt500 and zl1, as road racing performance is yet to be seen, but how many of you would sell your freaking awesome zl1 if it was just for bragging rights? Enjoy your car, it is a bad mother and if it makes you happy, excuse my accent my french is a little rusty, f*ck the rest.

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by ShadowSky

i do think its a hand full having driven the c5 and c6 Z's will all traction stuff off they are a hand full and are notorious spinning. One of my old projects was the same weight as a Z and more power on a 295s was a lil bit easier to toss in the corners and more predictable, she was not a factory stock car either.

But the truth is the Z06 is not 505 rwhp! 505 suggested BHP, its more like around 425-450 ish compared to a GT500 that's 662BHP and around 600 at the tire with very lil over steer.. Then again this is not about a Z06 and its 20k tag difference its about the Zl1 and GT500...

For me i love both of them. If i had it to spend i would get both. Or since camaro seems to always need back up from the vette to try to win these arguments i would get all 3! don't You guys with the Z's think yall should be more concerned with the new vipers then mustangs?

I'm not concerned about any car, Viper or GT500......the Z is what it is. If these cars are faster, it doesn't change one thing about my ownership of the Z06.

I'm not quite sure what you're "not 505 RWHP !" statement is for, or the GT500 with 662 HP having very lil (little ?) over steer.