2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[richtor]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I have a question, why is no one discussing the other mags that posted times of 12.2 and 12.3? Cherry picking, maybe?

Motor Trend ran there time in the normal fashion taking the car and testing independently on an open runway with there computers.

The other times came from onslaught that was Fords media day running a heatsoaked GT500 while slow with the shifting and still running 12.2 at 121.

Motor Trend tested at 11.5. Car and Driver mentioned 11.7. The day after Hennessey ran his zl1 12.5 at 116 Ford went 11.5 at 125 in the gt500. What else do you want?

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Yes. Yes you were. If you wanna discuss all times, be prepared to do it with both cars...

a 12.2 from a joe blow magazine editor is pretty damn impressive... Don't make me post some of the times i have seen some of the mags get in the Z... It's not pretty...

the thing that everbody always forgets is there are two transmissions to the ZL1 unlike brand X.

one trend you will see chevy says 12.0 auto 12.1 manaul.

many of the review I have been seeing is 12.2-12.5 seems to be the auto's times by tuners etc. nobody is getting the 12.0 time. there is not much out there on the manuals for some reason. maybe because the GT500 has not auto option everbody is testing the auto???

the ford fags though then label that time as if there are not two transmission choises and just say ZL-1 runs 12.5 cause that was the slow time henessy ran.

then a guy on hear with almost no seat time in a manaul clicks off a 12.02 which is somehow slow even though most can't do better than that in 2012 gt500 . So a manaul ZL1 is slow and a 2012 GT500 is fast even though they seem to run similar times.

the real problem is the bias runs some deap that people are just retarded and can't just use logic when they discuss these cars.

[SIRLOIN]

Originally Posted by chain777

Interesting how this has turned into a Z06 vs GT500 thread. What happened to the ZL1? And what happened to all the posters who were convinced it couldn't put the power down with the skinny 285's? I predict the next rumor to fall will be the belief that it's only good in a straight line.

Anyway, 11.6 @ 125 and 0-60 in 3.5; pretty impressive times from a magazine.

/sarcasm Imagine what it'll do with a proper break-in? /sarcasm off.

I apologize in advance to the mods for the gloating, but some of the posters here had it coming for a long time. I promise to exercise more restraint in the future.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by richtor

Motor Trend ran there time in the normal fashion taking the car and testing independently on an open runway with there computers.

The other times came from onslaught that was Fords media day running a heatsoaked GT500 while slow with the shifting and still running 12.2 at 121.

Motor Trend tested at 11.5. Car and Driver mentioned 11.7. The day after Hennessey ran his zl1 12.5 at 116 Ford went 11.5 at 125 in the gt500. What else do you want?

perfect example of what I am talking about.

hennessy ran 12.5 in an auto car on a different track. ford ran 11.5 in a manual at a different track. 11.8 was the best time at the press day with camera's rolling but 11.5 is it now offical time.

so now accoding to the internet the GT500 is 11.5 car and the ZL1 is a 12.5 car.

in reality the GT500 is probably a consitant 11.7-11.8 car and the ZL-1 is 12.0-12.1 in the manual but the people like above compare apples vs oranges and get 11.5 to 12.5. ha ha

this is whay internet racing is gay. line up them up side by side manual vs manaul I would like to see it.

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by chain777

Interesting how this has turned into a Z06 vs GT500 thread. What happened to the ZL1? And what happened to all the posters who were convinced it couldn't put the power down with the skinny 285's? I predict the next rumor to fall will be the belief that it's only good in a straight line.

Anyway, 11.6 @ 125 and 0-60 in 3.5; pretty impressive times from a magazine.

/sarcasm Imagine what it'll do with a proper break-in? /sarcasm off.

I apologize in advance to the mods for the gloating, but some of the posters here had it coming for a long time. I promise to exercise more restraint in the future.

From a 1/4 and Vmax standpoint, the GT500 has entered into Z06 territory and new (and potential new) owner's are starting to make the comparison.
I think it's fair to say that the current ZL1 Camaro is not going to match the acceleration numbers being put down by the GT500.

[Seer]

I got a feeling the 13 shelby is tuned conservatively to only make 609hp with a tvs and a 5.8L on 16psi.

I wonder what these things will do with an aftermarket tune

[IcePick06]

I like what Motor Authority said about the GT500:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...00-first-drive

their comment confirms why I bought the ZL1. Sure, I could've waited a few more months and had the (Shelby) fastest muscle car in a straight line on the road (stock) but I bought the ZL1 mainly for looks (not too many people will argue with the fact that the ZL1 looks killer compared to the Shelby) and also fun factor. I probably won't make it to the drag strip in my car soon, I'll more likely hit up a road course before I go drag racing and the ZL1 with PTM seems to win in that regards compared to all the Shelby reviews I've read. Speaking of reviews, I didn't read one bad review about the ZL1 as far as the driver not feeling like they wanted to buy a ZL1 after driving one. The dual mode exhaust is perfect on the ZL1, some say the Shelby exhaust is too loud. I think in stock trim the ZL1 is damn near perfect. If you want to add on a few more ponies and go compete with the Shelby at the strip it doesn't cost much more, but I think for an autocrossing package/daily driver, the ZL1 wins hands down and I think that's what it was built for. Ford catered to the 1/4 mile guys who think life is all about a straight line and I think they scored an "A" on their project too.

MotorAuthority said that despite the Shelby being a rocket, they walked away NOT wanting to buy one, I guess speed isn't everything, a car has to have some soul to it To each his own though.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

OK, so the 2011 run is the latest? I was trying to follow DBS's logic and couldn't quite keep up

there is no logic right now people just want to see so bad there making there own.

[SIRLOIN]

Originally Posted by hognutz

the thing that everbody always forgets is there are two transmissions to the ZL1 unlike brand X.

one trend you will see chevy says 12.0 auto 12.1 manaul.

many of the review I have been seeing is 12.2-12.5 seems to be the auto's times by tuners etc. nobody is getting the 12.0 time. there is not much out there on the manuals for some reason. maybe because the GT500 has not auto option everbody is testing the auto???

the ford fags though then label that time as if there are not two transmission choises and just say ZL-1 runs 12.5 cause that was the slow time henessy ran.

then a guy on hear with almost no seat time in a manaul clicks off a 12.02 which is somehow slow even though most can't do better than that in 2012 gt500 . So a manaul ZL1 is slow and a 2012 GT500 is fast even though they seem to run similar times.

the real problem is the bias runs some deap that people are just retarded and can't just use logic when they discuss these cars.

Man i tell ya, if i said Chevy fags on this forum, i would be banned in an instant...

Dude is that really neccessary? Are you really that mad???

[richtor]

Originally Posted by hognutz

then a guy on hear with almost no seat time in a manaul clicks off a 12.02 which is somehow slow even though most can't do better than that in 2012 gt500 . So a manaul ZL1 is slow and a 2012 GT500 is fast even though they seem to run similar times.

Both are fast times, its just that most were expecting the zl1 to be significantly faster than the 12 gt500. As you just stated this is not the case, it is the definition of a drivers race.

The 13 gt500 changes all this as it is embarrasses the zl1 which is supposed to be a rival. Being frank the new gt500 is putting numbers the mags ran in the 06 z06. The sad thing is that al and gm keep making excuses which completely destroying any intelligence they once had.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

From a 1/4 and Vmax standpoint, the GT500 has entered into Z06 territory and new (and potential new) owner's are starting to make the comparison.
I think it's fair to say that the current ZL1 Camaro is not going to match the acceleration numbers being put down by the GT500.

I think I put the /sarcasm tags in the wrong place.

[SSmoked]

Excellent work Ford u have created a beast beyond a beast. excellent performance figures with the results to back up its claims. kudos to Ford and SVT.
Looking forward to seeing these on the streets, and hopefully a road racing event or 2 in the future to see how it stacks up to my ZL1.

its only a matter of time before mags pair the ZL1 and GT500 in a comparo, cant wait for those.

[richtor]

Originally Posted by IcePick06

I like what Motor Authority said about the GT500:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...00-first-drive

their comment confirms why I bought the ZL1. Sure, I could've waited a few more months and had the (Shelby) fastest muscle car in a straight line on the road (stock) but I bought the ZL1 mainly for looks (not too many people will argue with the fact that the ZL1 looks killer compared to the Shelby) and also fun factor. I probably won't make it to the drag strip in my car soon, I'll more likely hit up a road course before I go drag racing and the ZL1 with PTM seems to win in that regards compared to all the Shelby reviews I've read. Speaking of reviews, I didn't read one bad review about the ZL1 as far as the driver not feeling like they wanted to buy a ZL1 after driving one. The dual mode exhaust is perfect on the ZL1, some say the Shelby exhaust is too loud. I think in stock trim the ZL1 is damn near perfect. If you want to add on a few more ponies and go compete with the Shelby at the strip it doesn't cost much more, but I think for an autocrossing package/daily driver, the ZL1 wins hands down and I think that's what it was built for. Ford catered to the 1/4 mile guys who think life is all about a straight line and I think they scored an "A" on their project too.

MotorAuthority said that despite the Shelby being a rocket, they walked away NOT wanting to buy one, I guess speed isn't everything, a car has to have some soul to it To each his own though.

After reading I was led to believe that MA stated they liked the ZL1 better than the GT500. Funny thing is that I did not find that in the article.

ZL1 is not an autocross car, it is too big and heavy. Get to a real track and have some fun! Enjoy your car!

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Now it's time for Dodge to get in the mix and make this a 3-way battle... Bring on the Cuda...

Very well said sir.

As for the Cuda. Its real, very real.

I have a friend from detroit thats well connected to the drive srt team. Very well connected. He came visit the shop this weekend and is arranging to fly my good friend/shop owner to fly to detroit and have meeting with the ceo of SRT. Ralph Gilles.

He said he has seen the Cuda with his own two eyes. Its already built/mocked up. It will be riding on a much smaller fiat platform. It will be packing a supercharged destroked 6.4, it will be a 6.2L.