Cop driving stupidly kills 2 teens - Page 9

Sierra · 11-20-2009, 12:13 AM

I would like to state that many officers uphold the law.... unfortunately there a select few who cause problems. I support the men and women in blue whole heartedly.

legrand · 11-20-2009, 12:16 AM

It is unbelievable to me how so many have an opinion with out any expertise. Or even know spit about the law. What happen to those teens is unfortunate. But I know for a fact that if it was just a fender bender and no injuries just property damage. Who ever the unfortunate teen that was driving at the time of the accident would have been found at fault. For not giving the right away and not clearing the intersection to on coming traffic before making a left. On coming traffic always has the right away no matter what speed is.

I know of a similar incident when a operator of a motorcycle was traveling approximately 100 mph on a 35 mph zone. When the motorcycle reached the intersection it T-boned a yellow cab that was making a left turn. The operator of the motorcycle died and the cab driver was hospitalized. In the end the cab driver was found at fault not the driver of the motorcycle and was issue a citation.

I'm not saying that the police officer should get away with killing those teens. But jail time is asking for to much. Being fired from the police force is devastating enough. He will never be able to make a decent living again. And would more than likely lose a civil law suit and find himself working for the victims family for the rest of his life, as he should.

But as I stated before this is one officers mistake. And should not reflect on or stereo type all law enforcement that wear the uniform with integrity.

PQ · 11-20-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Milk 1027

The article stated the light was flashing red. Meaning that it was a 4 way stop. The kids driving the car could not anticipate that the cop wasn't going to stop.

Ok, so then that would explain the kids turning in front of him. He ran a stop. You could see them pull hard as they freaked out after realizing the car was moving so fast. Damn.

PQ · 11-20-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by legrand

It is unbelievable to me how so many have an opinion with out any expertise. Or even know spit about the law. What happen to those teens is unfortunate. But I know for a fact that if it was just a fender bender and no injuries just property damage. Who ever the unfortunate teen that was driving at the time of the accident would have been found at fault. For not giving the right away and not clearing the intersection to on coming traffic before making a left. On coming traffic always has the right away no matter what speed is.

How do we know the flashing lights weren't red? And then would be a 4 way stop. So how do you feel then?

To me that's the only expanation. At night at a 4 way stop, you can't tell depth perception in relation to speed that well, so you figure you're ok at a 4 way stop to turn.

Partick · 11-20-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by legrand

It is unbelievable to me how so many have an opinion with out any expertise. Or even know spit about the law. What happen to those teens is unfortunate. But I know for a fact that if it was just a fender bender and no injuries just property damage. Who ever the unfortunate teen that was driving at the time of the accident would have been found at fault. For not giving the right away and not clearing the intersection to on coming traffic before making a left. On coming traffic always has the right away no matter what speed is.
I know of a similar incident when a operator of a motorcycle was traveling approximately 100 mph on a 35 mph zone. When the motorcycle reached the intersection it T-boned a yellow cab that was making a left turn. The operator of the motorcycle died and the cab driver was hospitalized. In the end the cab driver was found at fault not the driver of the motorcycle and was issue a citation.

I'm not saying that the police officer should get away with killing those teens. But jail time is asking for to much. Being fired from the police force is devastating enough. He will never be able to make a decent living again. And would more than likely lose a civil law suit and find himself working for the victims family for the rest of his life, as he should.

But as I stated before this is one officers mistake. And should not reflect on or stereo type all law enforcement that wear the uniform with integrity.

At any speed? Are you kidding 94 mph and they had the R/W...

Zeus · 11-20-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by legrand

It is unbelievable to me how so many have an opinion with out any expertise. Or even know spit about the law. What happen to those teens is unfortunate. But I know for a fact that if it was just a fender bender and no injuries just property damage. Who ever the unfortunate teen that was driving at the time of the accident would have been found at fault. For not giving the right away and not clearing the intersection to on coming traffic before making a left. On coming traffic always has the right away no matter what speed is.

I know of a similar incident when a operator of a motorcycle was traveling approximately 100 mph on a 35 mph zone. When the motorcycle reached the intersection it T-boned a yellow cab that was making a left turn. The operator of the motorcycle died and the cab driver was hospitalized. In the end the cab driver was found at fault not the driver of the motorcycle and was issue a citation.

I'm not saying that the police officer should get away with killing those teens. But jail time is asking for to much. Being fired from the police force is devastating enough. He will never be able to make a decent living again. And would more than likely lose a civil law suit and find himself working for the victims family for the rest of his life, as he should.

But as I stated before this is one officers mistake. And should not reflect on or stereo type all law enforcement that wear the uniform with integrity.

I know a good deal about the Law. It's amazing to ME that you come in here and imply that we are wrong, after the consensus is it was a STOP. If it wasn't a stop, and the kid's pulled out into traffic, all the cop was doing was going twice the speed limit like a total tool and killed two kids.... If it was a stop, he did exactly that, while running a stop. If this wasn't a police officer it wouldn't have gotten the public attention it did, but they'd still go down for manslaughter.

Anything less than 10-15 years in prison would be a failure of the justice system.

Partick · 11-20-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by legrand

It is unbelievable to me how so many have an opinion with out any expertise. Or even know spit about the law. What happen to those teens is unfortunate. But I know for a fact that if it was just a fender bender and no injuries just property damage. Who ever the unfortunate teen that was driving at the time of the accident would have been found at fault. For not giving the right away and not clearing the intersection to on coming traffic before making a left. On coming traffic always has the right away no matter what speed is.

I know of a similar incident when a operator of a motorcycle was traveling approximately 100 mph on a 35 mph zone. When the motorcycle reached the intersection it T-boned a yellow cab that was making a left turn. The operator of the motorcycle died and the cab driver was hospitalized. In the end the cab driver was found at fault not the driver of the motorcycle and was issue a citation.

I'm not saying that the police officer should get away with killing those teens. But jail time is asking for to much. Being fired from the police force is devastating enough. He will never be able to make a decent living again. And would more than likely lose a civil law suit and find himself working for the victims family for the rest of his life, as he should.

But as I stated before this is one officers mistake. And should not reflect on or stereo type all law enforcement that wear the uniform with integrity.

Are you kidding? this individual deserves the same punishment as you and I, and even if it is only vehicular manslaughter we'd be doing time...period

If he is smart he'll be able to make a living doing something else.

Zeus · 11-20-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Partick

Are you kidding? this individual deserves the same punishment as you and I, and even if it is only vehicular manslaughter we'd be doing time...period

If he is smart he'll be able to make a living doing something else.

I'm sure he'll be treated real well by the other inmates after they find out he was a cop abusing his power .....

lil_chef · 11-20-2009, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by legrand

It is unbelievable to me how so many have an opinion with out any expertise. Or even know spit about the law. What happen to those teens is unfortunate. But I know for a fact that if it was just a fender bender and no injuries just property damage. Who ever the unfortunate teen that was driving at the time of the accident would have been found at fault. For not giving the right away and not clearing the intersection to on coming traffic before making a left. On coming traffic always has the right away no matter what speed is.

I know of a similar incident when a operator of a motorcycle was traveling approximately 100 mph on a 35 mph zone. When the motorcycle reached the intersection it T-boned a yellow cab that was making a left turn. The operator of the motorcycle died and the cab driver was hospitalized. In the end the cab driver was found at fault not the driver of the motorcycle and was issue a citation.

I'm not saying that the police officer should get away with killing those teens. But jail time is asking for to much. Being fired from the police force is devastating enough. He will never be able to make a decent living again. And would more than likely lose a civil law suit and find himself working for the victims family for the rest of his life, as he should.

But as I stated before this is one officers mistake. And should not reflect on or stereo type all law enforcement that wear the uniform with integrity.

enlighten us then sir. who has the right of way at a 4 way stop, the person who got there first? or the cop traveling at 94 mph and running the intersection?

Supermans · 11-20-2009, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DropTheGloves

Maybe not, but he needs to be charged just like the rest of us would of been. No leniency.

Yep, and the cop should have not only been charged for manslaughter but sent to prison immediately like any other citizen.

All-Or-Nothing · 11-20-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

I know a good deal about the Law. It's amazing to ME that you come in here and imply that we are wrong, after the consensus is it was a STOP. If it wasn't a stop, and the kid's pulled out into traffic, all the cop was doing was going twice the speed limit like a total tool and killed two kids.... If it was a stop, he did exactly that, while running a stop. If this wasn't a police officer it wouldn't have gotten the public attention it did, but they'd still go down for manslaughter.

Anything less than 10-15 years in prison would be a failure of the justice system.

You can't argue with a cop. They are above the law. They don't get judged by the same laws as we do as civilians. They have a code and that is to save each others behinds.

Check out this link. It shows the true nature of law enforcement and cops in general. People wonder why cops are so hated, well watch the full video and you will see.

http://current.com/items/91463702_16...s-19-times.htm

Supermans · 11-20-2009, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

You can't argue with a cop. They are above the law. They don't get judged by the same laws as we do as civilians. They have a code and that is to save each others behinds.

Check out this link. It shows the true nature of law enforcement and cops in general. People wonder why cops are so hated, well watch the full video and you will see.

http://current.com/items/91463702_16...s-19-times.htm

Cops are not above the law.. However they do get away breaking the law a lot more than what is discovered and prosecuted since video's are not always there to capture most events. That is why those events that are captured by video are scrutinized even more and it does open a lot of peoples eyes. All my friends that I grew up with that are now cops have changed quite a bit personality wise. It is called the "God complex" and it varies in degrees between the officers. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Now there are exceptions and I know cops have a very difficult job when it comes to the people they have to deal with on a daily basis. That is no excuse however for breaking the law. I know there are cops in this forum who sympathize with other cops. The other day I get pulled over by a cop who simply wanted to take a look at my Camaro. He said he wanted to check to see if my plate was expired. He tailgated me for about 10 minutes before pulling me over. And then it took thirty minutes before he admitted to me he just wanted to look at the car. My wife was scared as the passenger when she saw the flashing lights behind me.. This to me is abuse of power and I could have pressed charges.

Cases like Hope Steffey who clearly was abused wrongly and video evidence was destroyed to cover up cops and a grand jury then finds the cops and dept. not guilty is a travesty. For the most part cops are simply doing their job and I hope the majority would not cover up for bad cops however I fear that most would and do. This is a touchy subject since law enforcement in general is a necessary evil since there are so many horrible individuals out there that need to be brought to justice. I just wish more cops would lead by example..

With all that said, we have to remember that our law enforcement officers are the good guys, and that criminals do far worse on a daily basis... These rantings against bad apple cops and bad tendencies should not be a testament to put down all of them as a whole but as a message to those cops reading this to play the part of the good guy at all times and when a fellow cop is doing something wrong, do not fear turning them in.

coolman · 11-20-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Milk 1027

The article stated the light was flashing red. Meaning that it was a 4 way stop. The kids driving the car could not anticipate that the cop wasn't going to stop.

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Originally Posted by PQ

Ok, so then that would explain the kids turning in front of him. He ran a stop. You could see them pull hard as they freaked out after realizing the car was moving so fast. Damn.

If it was a four way stop then the kids are at fault too because they didn't stop either.

PQ · 11-20-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by coolman

If it was a four way stop then the kids are at fault too because they didn't stop either.

How could you possibly know that? It appeared to me that they DID stop. It comes up so fast. I went back and looked. If I had to decide, I'd say they stopped. Look at it again. And remember, the cop came up on them at 94 mph and the camera was moving at 70 mph.

At 00:22 to 00:24, it appears as if they are stopped and then proceed and assume the oncoming headlights are driving normal until it's too late.

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11-20-2009, 12:16 AM	#114
legrand Drives: 2SS/RS, 87 Buick GN Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NY Posts: 9	It is unbelievable to me how so many have an opinion with out any expertise. Or even know spit about the law. What happen to those teens is unfortunate. But I know for a fact that if it was just a fender bender and no injuries just property damage. Who ever the unfortunate teen that was driving at the time of the accident would have been found at fault. For not giving the right away and not clearing the intersection to on coming traffic before making a left. On coming traffic always has the right away no matter what speed is. I know of a similar incident when a operator of a motorcycle was traveling approximately 100 mph on a 35 mph zone. When the motorcycle reached the intersection it T-boned a yellow cab that was making a left turn. The operator of the motorcycle died and the cab driver was hospitalized. In the end the cab driver was found at fault not the driver of the motorcycle and was issue a citation. I'm not saying that the police officer should get away with killing those teens. But jail time is asking for to much. Being fired from the police force is devastating enough. He will never be able to make a decent living again. And would more than likely lose a civil law suit and find himself working for the victims family for the rest of his life, as he should. But as I stated before this is one officers mistake. And should not reflect on or stereo type all law enforcement that wear the uniform with integrity.