Has anyone driven a gt350? - Page 9

bbrown450 · 10-10-2016, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ender2664

I think u r missing the point given u drawing an unfit conclusion from my logic.
It is an unimpressive motor because it is out classed by EVERY flat plane currently in production.
A flat plane motor is not unimpressive because it is decades old, this one is unimpressive because it is nothing special.

While Chevy is pushing the envelope of what an OHV engine can do, Ford is laying back on what a FP can easily do. The LT1 and 4 are special because they are the best OHV engines made, the voodoo is not special.
Is the voodoo better than the LT is a different discussion, one I'm not currently informed enough on to participate in as more than a spectator, and highly subjective.
Find an OHV motor more advanced than LT? You will not. Find a flat plane more impressive than the voodoo? They are everywhere.

The biggest fool..is one that argues with one.....so you guys have fun trying to convince each other ...... It's an amazing engine far more qualified people (engineer's ) have said so in so many magazine's that I read and none have disputed that fact.Period

Thor142 · 10-10-2016, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You may want to check your numbers there chief. The GT350 bests the SS in nearly every single one of those categories with the exception of the 0-60, which is entirely a result of gearing (the GT350 is geared for the track after all). By the time you get to 150mph, the GT350 is several seconds ahead. The 119mph trap speed of the GT350 shows you how capable it is.

The Voodoo engine pushes out over 70hp with 1.8l less displacement than the LT, yet it isn't significantly better than the LT? It does so without direct injection to boot. I don't know what world you're living in, but to me...70hp is friggen huge. No disrespect to the LT, but at least give credit where it's due. Any one of you would give their left nut for the LT to produce an extra 70hp NA direct from GM. Many would then praise it's engineering marvel.

Ford didn't just "compete" with the LT engine. It kicked it's proverbial ass.

Lets not be silly Fanboy. You were doing so well up until here. Lets see what the GT350 (non R) does on the track before we talk about an ass kicking. After all a car is more than just an engine. While the Voodoo is a sweet powerplant it's only as good as the platform it's in.

bbrown450 · 10-10-2016, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ST1LE

I do think it is a little early to make such comparisons when it comes to track prowess, we just don't have enough data yet(need more times on more tracks). I think that the advantages the Camaro and the Alpha platform have, might be overstating the capability of the LT1 itself when compared to the Voodoo. I admit, I could be wrong and time will tell for sure.

In the end of the day, as people have echoed, the Voodoo is great but not as great as the price difference would suggest. If I could build/create a track a car, I would have GM engineer the chassis, and have Ford drop in the Voodoo. Pretty sure I just put a hefty price on my head for such blasphemy!

True....what people forget to take into consideration are the costs it takes to r&d these engines!! The LT-1 was engineered primarily for the C7 and shared costs across those platforms using this power plant. The Voodoo/FPC was a ground up creation (for the most part) and those costs are spread across a platform that is only be supplied for one model ( at this point) one of which is a limited edition. In order to recoup costs they have to price it accordingly.

Mustang Fanboy · 10-10-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Thor142

Lets not be silly Fanboy. You were doing so well up until here. Lets see what the GT350 (non R) does on the track before we talk about an ass kicking. After all a car is more than just an engine. While the Voodoo is a sweet powerplant it's only as good as the platform it's in.

Man, I love it when people use my own logic against me.

Agreed.

13vertss · 10-10-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You may want to check your numbers there chief. The GT350 bests the SS in nearly every single one of those categories with the exception of the 0-60, which is entirely a result of gearing (the GT350 is geared for the track after all). By the time you get to 150mph, the GT350 is several seconds ahead. The 119mph trap speed of the GT350 shows you how capable it is.

The Voodoo engine pushes out over 70hp with 1.8l less displacement than the LT, yet it isn't significantly better than the LT? It does so without direct injection to boot. I don't know what world you're living in, but to me...70hp is friggen huge. No disrespect to the LT, but at least give credit where it's due. Any one of you would give their left nut for the LT to produce an extra 70hp NA direct from GM. Many would then praise it's engineering marvel.

Ford didn't just "compete" with the LT engine. It kicked it's proverbial ass.

Where are you getting these gt350 times?

those look like gt350r times, and no one is saying a 1le is equal to the R, just the base gt350.

Mustang Fanboy · 10-10-2016, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Where are you getting these gt350 times?

those look like gt350r times, and no one is saying a 1le is equal to the R, just the base gt350.

Here is one example. Magazine times of course lol.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

That is the non-R version with the track pack. All new non-R versions now include the track pack regardless, so this is what they all would be.

ender2664 · 10-10-2016, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Here is one example. Magazine times of course lol.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

That is the non-R version with the track pack. All new non-R versions now include the track pack regardless, so this is what they all would be.

The Vette is over 20% more in cost so I'd never compare the two, but that is definitely a score for the GT350.
I never said it is a bad car or that the car isn't special, just that the engine by itself isn't special. Especially as special as people make it out to be.

Believe it · 10-10-2016, 05:02 PM

I have driven the GT350, not the R, and it is an amazing accomplishment, because of the engine. I believe it will be owned mostly by road course track enthusiasts, and collectors. The beauty of the SS is how much fun you can have within the legal limits because of all that instant torque, exploiting the power band of the GT350 will land you in jail.

Norm Peterson · 10-10-2016, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ender2664

Find an OHV motor more advanced than LT? You will not.

In at least some respects this one was more advanced.

Norm

ST1LE · 10-10-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Believe it

I have driven the GT350, not the R, and it is an amazing accomplishment, because of the engine. I believe it will be owned mostly by road course track enthusiasts, and collectors. The beauty of the SS is how much fun you can have within the legal limits because of all that instant torque, exploiting the power band of the GT350 will land you in jail.

That's a great point! Now we talk about how versatile these 2 offerings are, and there is really no beating the LT1 for daily use and fun. As you said, you can have fun in a GT350 but by the time that fun kicks in you are not within the legal limits anymore.

My 1LE was a boatload of fun driving around Houston!

Mustang Fanboy · 10-10-2016, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Believe it

I have driven the GT350, not the R, and it is an amazing accomplishment, because of the engine. I believe it will be owned mostly by road course track enthusiasts, and collectors. The beauty of the SS is how much fun you can have within the legal limits because of all that instant torque, exploiting the power band of the GT350 will land you in jail.

That's true, your first run up to red-line in second gear get's you 80mph. I would take it in a heartbeat.

It's a shame dealers are so greedy. Those cars belong in the hands of enthusiast, not sitting on the showroom floor due to extreme mark ups.

Norm Peterson · 10-10-2016, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Believe it

I have driven the GT350, not the R, and it is an amazing accomplishment, because of the engine. I believe it will be owned mostly by road course track enthusiasts

As intended, both now and with the original. Kind of like the 5th Gen 1LE and Z/28, actually.

Norm

13vertss · 10-10-2016, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Here is one example. Magazine times of course lol.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

That is the non-R version with the track pack. All new non-R versions now include the track pack regardless, so this is what they all would be.

Here is a break down of each.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...0r-test-review

Mustang Fanboy · 10-10-2016, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Here is a break down of each.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...0r-test-review

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Believe it Drives: Camaro SS. 2001 Z3 M coupe Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: South Carolina Posts: 23	I have driven the GT350, not the R, and it is an amazing accomplishment, because of the engine. I believe it will be owned mostly by road course track enthusiasts, and collectors. The beauty of the SS is how much fun you can have within the legal limits because of all that instant torque, exploiting the power band of the GT350 will land you in jail.