My RT

[Justcallme61]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

One thing to consider is torque. That's what you actually feel. Couple that with a more old school interior on the surface, with modern upgrades underneath and the Challenger is a winner.

If you want a sports car get a Camaro.

If you want a MUSCLE car, get a Challenger.

So basically what you're saying is...Don't get a Mustang? :P lol

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Justcallme61

So basically what you're saying is...Don't get a Mustang? :P lol

Hahaha, I like those too...but EVERYBODY has one.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Hahaha, I like those too...but EVERYBODY has one.

what do the power gains through Mod's look like for the SRT?

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Zeus

what do the power gains through Mod's look like for the SRT?

Depends on what you do. Basic bolt ons about 30 - 40HP. Tune add another 20 on the auto, none on the 6 speed as they're aggressively tuned from Dodge. Bolt ons don't do as much for the Challenger as ya'lls Camaros. The Challenger is MAP based where yours is MAF.

A couple of guys have done heads/cam and gained nearly 100RWHP with that. Then there's the forced induction...100 - 130RWHP gain on a normal setup.

The problem with the SRT is that it's not really that much of an upgrade over an R/T. 30HP and 20 ft/lbs is about it. Not worth the difference in price really. The Brembos only make it stop 7 feet shorter than the R/T as well.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Depends on what you do. Basic bolt ons about 30 - 40HP. Tune add another 20 on the auto, none on the 6 speed as they're aggressively tuned from Dodge. Bolt ons don't do as much for the Challenger as ya'lls Camaros. The Challenger is MAP based where yours is MAF.

A couple of guys have done heads/cam and gained nearly 100RWHP with that. Then there's the forced induction...100 - 130RWHP gain on a normal setup.

The problem with the SRT is that it's not really that much of an upgrade over an R/T. 30HP and 20 ft/lbs is about it. Not worth the difference in price really. The Brembos only make it stop 7 feet shorter than the R/T as well.

I thought the 6.1 was supposed to be massively improved over the 5.7?

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by Zeus

I thought the 6.1 was supposed to be massively improved over the 5.7?

Ya I was under the impression that it had much beefier internals- so even if the stock numbers aren't that far off, the SRT had a lot more room to build on?

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Zeus

I thought the 6.1 was supposed to be massively improved over the 5.7?

That's what they want you to believe. The facts show otherwise. Dodge even underrated the R/T to make the SRT look more beefy. The R/T is rated at 376 HP from Dodge. The SRT is rated 425. Hmm, 50 horses.

However, on the Dyno bone stock the R/T puts down 335 - 340 at the wheels. The SRT 360 to 365 at the wheels.

Average drive train loss on a 6 speed is typically accepted at 15%.

400 x .85 = 340

So in reality, the R/T is really a 390 - 400 horse power motor at the crank and the SRT is 425. The SRT does have a forged crank where the R/T does not and the SRT has oil squirters aimed at the under side of the pistons as well that the R/T does not have. I believe the SRTs piston rods may have an improvement as well. However, it seems both engines have the same weak point, that being the pistons. For a stock configuration it's marvelous the amount of improvement the new 5.7L has (about 90HP over last years model thanks to heads and cam design). However, the final ring land on the piston is about 3mm from the top. You can see where that'd become the weak point in a forced induction application. I had planned to have a blower by now...but I may not get one at all due to that problem.

The Brembo brakes are the other big draw to the SRT, but 60 to 0 stopping distance is only 6 feet shorter in the SRT. Now, it may be able to do that same distance over and over and over where the R/T would fade...no one that I know of has actually tested that. However, most of the SRT guys are getting rid of their SRT pads as they create a lot of black dust.

Unless it's 500HP it's not really anything special in my eyes. If Dodge releases the 500HP 6.4L, then the SRT would be worth it's CURRENT price. As of now, both the R/T and SRT are over priced at MSRP.

I was going to buy a Camaro originally. But I couldn't get a dealer to deal on one and I don't pay MSRP period. I ended up with the Challenger because the local Chevy dealer let me walk out over a $2500 GSU discount they didn't wanna honor.

Dodge announced EP+++ back in Feb and that made the Challenger I bought 6,000 off MSRP and 0% financing for 4 years. It was only offered for a few days and I was one of the lucky few that snagged one before Dodge realized what they'd done. The SRT's weren't on the promotion when I bought mine and that made an SRT nearly $11,000 more than the R/T I bought. I'm sure you can see why I made the decision I did.

A few VERY lucky folks actually got SRTs on EP+++. I think Dodge had it on those for about 4 days before they yanked it because of dealer complaints.

The rest as they say is history.

[Dakota Kid]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

God damn that blue one, wow, I like- a lot.

Yup, that B5 blue is simply gorgeous!

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

That's what they want you to believe. The facts show otherwise. Dodge even underrated the R/T to make the SRT look more beefy. The R/T is rated at 376 HP from Dodge. The SRT is rated 425. Hmm, 50 horses.

However, on the Dyno bone stock the R/T puts down 335 - 340 at the wheels. The SRT 360 to 365 at the wheels.

Average drive train loss on a 6 speed is typically accepted at 15%.

400 x .85 = 340

So in reality, the R/T is really a 390 - 400 horse power motor at the crank and the SRT is 425. The SRT does have a forged crank where the R/T does not and the SRT has oil squirters aimed at the under side of the pistons as well that the R/T does not have. I believe the SRTs piston rods may have an improvement as well. However, it seems both engines have the same weak point, that being the pistons. For a stock configuration it's marvelous the amount of improvement the new 5.7L has (about 90HP over last years model thanks to heads and cam design). However, the final ring land on the piston is about 3mm from the top. You can see where that'd become the weak point in a forced induction application. I had planned to have a blower by now...but I may not get one at all due to that problem.

The Brembo brakes are the other big draw to the SRT, but 60 to 0 stopping distance is only 6 feet shorter in the SRT. Now, it may be able to do that same distance over and over and over where the R/T would fade...no one that I know of has actually tested that. However, most of the SRT guys are getting rid of their SRT pads as they create a lot of black dust.

Unless it's 500HP it's not really anything special in my eyes. If Dodge releases the 500HP 6.4L, then the SRT would be worth it's CURRENT price. As of now, both the R/T and SRT are over priced at MSRP.

I was going to buy a Camaro originally. But I couldn't get a dealer to deal on one and I don't pay MSRP period. I ended up with the Challenger because the local Chevy dealer let me walk out over a $2500 GSU discount they didn't wanna honor.

Dodge announced EP+++ back in Feb and that made the Challenger I bought 6,000 off MSRP and 0% financing for 4 years. It was only offered for a few days and I was one of the lucky few that snagged one before Dodge realized what they'd done. The SRT's weren't on the promotion when I bought mine and that made an SRT nearly $11,000 more than the R/T I bought. I'm sure you can see why I made the decision I did.

A few VERY lucky folks actually got SRTs on EP+++. I think Dodge had it on those for about 4 days before they yanked it because of dealer complaints.

The rest as they say is history.

Ok


what about the handling capabilities of the car? From what I've gathered the SRT is supposed to be the better handling by far out of the two.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

However, the final ring land on the piston is about 3mm from the top. You can see where that'd become the weak point in a forced induction application. I had planned to have a blower by now...but I may not get one at all due to that problem.

Yeah, some people on a Challenger forum were awed at some guy's 1/4 mile time on a supercharged Challenger. Then it was pointed out that the motor had blown up soon thereafter.

He was undaunted though, and planned to rebuild the motor and run the same setup again.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Ok


what about the handling capabilities of the car? From what I've gathered the SRT is supposed to be the better handling by far out of the two.

The stock SRT handles better than a stock R/T. However I put Eibach suspension on mine, as do most of the SRT guys as well. Again it becomes a wash. The Eibach suspensions are the same for both cars.

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Yeah, some people on a Challenger forum were awed at some guy's 1/4 mile time on a supercharged Challenger. Then it was pointed out that the motor had blown up soon thereafter.

He was undaunted though, and planned to rebuild the motor and run the same setup again.

That was actually one of the vendors. They were running one of the first Techo superchargers and got into the 11s I believe. The tune was still in development and they pushed it a little too far and boom, took out the number one cylinder I think it was.

They then had a stroked motor built by Techo (397 6.5L) and put a supercharger on that. I don't think it's quite finished yet, but will be a beast for sure once done. It has forged internals as well. Last update they were in the tuning phase and expecting 650 - 700 RWHP.

It seems FI will work on these cars, but the tuning has to be just right or there are problems. One guy ran 16lbs of boost for a while but again, it was a vendor car and they had all the time in the world to get the tune dialed in. I think it had meth injection and a bunch of other stuff too.

If I go FI I just want it to still be reliably drivable. I don't see the point is getting 600 or 700 HP if you have to fill bottles, ice boxes, who knows what to drive the thing.

500 at the wheels would keep me plenty happy if I could just hop in it and go whenever I wanted.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

500 at the wheels would keep me plenty happy if I could just hop in it and go whenever I wanted.

Did you ever consider a Shelby GT500? I'm betting with just a tune, the 2010s may well put down 500hp at the wheels.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Did you ever consider a Shelby GT500? I'm betting with just a tune, the 2010s may well put down 500hp at the wheels.

I honestly wouldn't doubt this, or it'd be very close to 500.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Did you ever consider a Shelby GT500? I'm betting with just a tune, the 2010s may well put down 500hp at the wheels.

Yep, I did. I even looked at one when shopping the Camaro and Challenger.

I've just never gotten that warm fuzzy feeling from a Mustang. I thought maybe if I drove one I'd change my mind, but the dealer wouldn't allow test drives.

I've always been a Chevy fan. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the Challenger and so far it's been an outstanding car, but if you'd told me two years ago I'd own a Dodge anything I'd have never believed it.

I actually just test drove one out of novelty and fell in love with the thing and bought one two weeks later.

I personally think the Challenger is the best looking of the three. I just wish it was more mod friendly as I like to tinker on things.