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[Dznts]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

uh, he lied. Also, if you liked the classic look of 'that' era of bodybuilding, you liked guys on steroids. I know from a post early you did not like "those" guys looking like that. So a little confused about your comments. The PRO bodybuilders today just do it better, and have better genes. Not looking to start anything, just confused on your comments because they contradict each other.

I agree, he was lying. As stated pro bodybuilders of today have a better knowledge of steroids, are better conditioned, and better genes. They basically have it down to a science.

[13lstuner]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

uh, he lied. Also, if you liked the classic look of 'that' era of bodybuilding, you liked guys on steroids. I know from a post early you did not like "those" guys looking like that. So a little confused about your comments. The PRO bodybuilders today just do it better, and have better genes. Not looking to start anything, just confused on your comments because they contradict each other.

Originally Posted by Dznts

I agree, he was lying. As stated pro bodybuilders of today have a better knowledge of steroids, are better conditioned, and better genes. They basically have it down to a science.

I do agree that he was lying. They took more than one cycle during precontest, but you guys think that the dosing/efficiency of the steroids are the same? I would argue that the current day bodybuilders are taking more of a super physiological amount than the bodybuilders back then. Also, the steroids of today are much more efficient. Especially the synthetic based versions.

I agree with everything you guys said though. Even though I do believe the bodybuilders of today take more of a super physiological dose, I think they utilize training, diet, nutrition, and supplementation of all kinds to a much much better degree. This alows them to take less steroids than they would if this understanding of the body wasn't present.

[Sapphire]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

uh, he lied. Also, if you liked the classic look of 'that' era of bodybuilding, you liked guys on steroids. I know from a post early you did not like "those" guys looking like that. So a little confused about your comments. The PRO bodybuilders today just do it better, and have better genes. Not looking to start anything, just confused on your comments because they contradict each other.

Little harsh in your wording there.
let me un- confuse you then. I never said I wanted Arnold did I? no. I said" yeah he was big! but everything was proportional." this is why I like the old body building look compared to now. maybe it's because Arnold was taller? I was told most of the Pro's today are 5 foot something. but the photos of the Pro's today is just over whelming. everything is big and over sized to me. people that look at photos of the BBs today know what I'm talking about.
I still stand my ground on the view that natural body builders are more pleasing to MY eye.

[Normagene]

Originally Posted by YellowCammy

Little harsh in your wording there.
let me un- confuse you then. I never said I wanted Arnold did I? no. I said" yeah he was big! but everything was proportional." this is why I like the old body building look compared to now. maybe it's because Arnold was taller? I was told most of the Pro's today are 5 foot something. but the photos of the Pro's today is just over whelming. everything is big and over sized to me. people that look at photos of the BBs today know what I'm talking about.
I still stand my ground on the view that natural body builders are more pleasing to MY eye.

Big Arnold fan! In an interview he said "yes I took steroids, but the stuff today is ten times more powerful and they stack it with all kinds of stuff". Just like everything in life, they keep making it better and better, more and more powerful, and guys take much higher dosages.

Proportion is the key. Watched an interview of competition judges and what they look for, proportion was a key factor. A couple of the judges said they go all the back as far from the stage as they can to see if anything really stands out. Then they deduct points because if say his arms look huge from that distance they know they don't match his frame. Much harder to notice when you're up close because everything looks huge.

But steroids are definitely part of bodybuilding. You can't get that freaky big naturally. Recently read an article that said its easier to get steroids in a high school than some weed, which we all know weed is everywhere. If they started testing for roids in the NFL the sport would come to an end, and when I say testing I mean really testing.

[Monchy36]

Common experts! Explain on your own words what is? How works? Pros and cons? And for the reeaaally big guys here, have you ever considered using it?

[hrpiii]

Originally Posted by Monchy36

Common experts! Explain on your own words what is? How works? Pros and cons? And for the reeaaally big guys here, have you ever considered using it?

steroids carry a class 3 felony. It is in the same catagory as Cocaine. This is why it is never discussed openly, ANYWHERE.

There are many many types of steroids, and only a few people "really" know how they work.

Pros - if you know what you are doing, there is little to no health risk.

Cons - if you have no freakin clue to what you are doing, you could really fu*k up your body and how it works.

You are taking a hormone, and your body is regulated by many different hormones. Throwing it out of whack is something you need a lot of knowledge on before attempting.

Sorry YellowCammy, did not mean to come across harsh or brash. Just wanted to make sure that you understood, the "all natural" bodies you see in the gym, many of those could be using steroids to keep the fat off (not necessarily to look "bigger"). I understand that you like the looks (eye candy) of a leaner gentleman, not the massive monsters.

[hrpiii]

Originally Posted by Normagene

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Recently read an article that said its easier to get steroids in a high school than some weed, which we all know weed is everywhere. If they started testing for roids in the NFL the sport would come to an end, and when I say testing I mean really testing.

Unfortunately, this is true for high school kids. They don't realize they have more testosterone in their systems and taking more hormones really screws them up. When really, they should be educating themselves on proper training and meals. But they are kids, and are smarter than anyone else in the world and you can't tell them anything ...hehehehe.

They do test in the NFL. This is why we don't see the big guys anymore on the offense and defensive lines, nor the linebackers. I mean big and strong, not big and fat.

[Monchy36]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

steroids carry a class 3 felony. It is in the same catagory as Cocaine. This is why it is never discussed openly, ANYWHERE.

There are many many types of steroids, and only a few people "really" know how they work.

Pros - if you know what you are doing, there is little to no health risk.

Cons - if you have no freakin clue to what you are doing, you could really fu*k up your body and how it works.

You are taking a hormone, and your body is regulated by many different hormones. Throwing it out of whack is something you need a lot of knowledge on before attempting.

Sorry YellowCammy, did not mean to come across harsh or brash. Just wanted to make sure that you understood, the "all natural" bodies you see in the gym, many of those could be using steroids to keep the fat off (not necessarily to look "bigger"). I understand that you like the looks (eye candy) of a leaner gentleman, not the massive monsters.

I didn't know that! For me was another protein to get bigger... thanks for the clarification!

[Dznts]

Originally Posted by Monchy36

Common experts! Explain on your own words what is? How works? Pros and cons? And for the reeaaally big guys here, have you ever considered using it?

I will touch on this as soon as I am at a keyboard. To much to type by phone, but hrpii hit on several excellent points.

[Monchy36]

Originally Posted by Dznts

I will touch on this as soon as I am at a keyboard. To much to type by phone, but hrpii hit on several excellent points.

I'm kind of curious now after notice that I don't know anything about it!

[Dznts]

Originally Posted by Monchy36

I'm kind of curious now after notice that I don't know anything about it!

I definitely do not mind sharing what knowledge I have from experience and research.

[Sapphire]

Originally Posted by Normagene

Big Arnold fan! In an interview he said "yes I took steroids, but the stuff today is ten times more powerful and they stack it with all kinds of stuff". Just like everything in life, they keep making it better and better, more and more powerful, and guys take much higher dosages.

Proportion is the key. Watched an interview of competition judges and what they look for, proportion was a key factor. A couple of the judges said they go all the back as far from the stage as they can to see if anything really stands out. Then they deduct points because if say his arms look huge from that distance they know they don't match his frame. Much harder to notice when you're up close because everything looks huge.

But steroids are definitely part of bodybuilding. You can't get that freaky big naturally. Recently read an article that said its easier to get steroids in a high school than some weed, which we all know weed is everywhere. If they started testing for roids in the NFL the sport would come to an end, and when I say testing I mean really testing.

ah ok. I think I saw that interview also about him saying yes I took steroids but the stuff now is much more powerful. that might have been the same interview where he said he only took it a couple of months before a big competition and afterwards stopped taking it until the next big one would come up again. I dunno if he was lying about that though.

Originally Posted by hrpiii

steroids carry a class 3 felony. It is in the same catagory as Cocaine. This is why it is never discussed openly, ANYWHERE.

There are many many types of steroids, and only a few people "really" know how they work.

Pros - if you know what you are doing, there is little to no health risk.

Cons - if you have no freakin clue to what you are doing, you could really fu*k up your body and how it works.

You are taking a hormone, and your body is regulated by many different hormones. Throwing it out of whack is something you need a lot of knowledge on before attempting.

Sorry YellowCammy, did not mean to come across harsh or brash. Just wanted to make sure that you understood, the "all natural" bodies you see in the gym, many of those could be using steroids to keep the fat off (not necessarily to look "bigger"). I understand that you like the looks (eye candy) of a leaner gentleman, not the massive monsters.

its alright man, but wow I didn't know it was a class 3 felony! like it was said, high schoolers can get this stuff so I just thought it wasn't that harsh of a felony. what is steroids? is it the same as taking testosterone? or is there more in it?

[13lstuner]

Originally Posted by Monchy36

I didn't know that! For me was another protein to get bigger... thanks for the clarification!

Testosterone actually aids in your muscle cells ability to produce proteins, so in a sense you are correct. Obviously this is highly anabolic.

More protein being utilized in the MTOR pathways= bigger muscles.

I'll take my wack at it from a natural bodybuilders standpoint.

As "beefcake" said it is a highly taboo subject not spoken of openly. Many of my workout partners take them but will never admit it to me. Only one has and it took him 3 years.

Steroid cons first: straining the kidneys slightly. Oral steroids can strain the liver, this is why the most common type are injectables. It also can enlarge the heart overtime as the heart is a muscle obviously, smooth muscle yes, but muscle none the less. It can also REALLY **** up your hormone regulation. You REALLY have to know proper post-cycle-therapy and know what you are doing while you are cycling.

I agree if used correctly they don't nessesarily have major health risks, but there is no debating anytime you are going above and beyond a physiological level of testosterone you are putting strain on the internal organs that help process it.


Pros: obviously you get bigger considering all variables the same. I HATE PEOPLE who say "oh I could be as big as ""insert huge guys name here"" if I took steroids". People who take them and get bigger work just as hard as I do. Just if all of the variables were the same I.e caloric intake, workout routines, sleep, blah blah blah, then I would gain more muscle quicker, and likely store less fat.


Yes it is tempting to take them. EXTREMELY. They are everywhere. I just want to earn my PHD in protein metabolism eventually and I want to have my validity as a natural bodybuilder.


I have NOTHING against people who take them, just be safe if you do. And to everyone that thinks you could be as big as "whomever" if you took them PLEASE get your fat and/or tiny ass up and do it.

This is my objective scientific opinion on them.

Edit:
I wanted to add on to beefcakes(I am sorry bro I don't know your name or I would call you that) thing of how many people have no clue of how they work and that there are many different types. The most anabolic and most effective is obviously testosterone or it's derivatives. This is the most common amoungst bodybuilders. HGH is highly ineffective for people with normal levels of it. Synthetic test is gaining popularity, specifically the versions that come directly from doctors, not shady back ally drug dealers.

[13lstuner]

Originally Posted by YellowCammy

ah ok. I think I saw that interview also about him saying yes I took steroids but the stuff now is much more powerful. that might have been the same interview where he said he only took it a couple of months before a big competition and afterwards stopped taking it until the next big one would come up again. I dunno if he was lying about that though.


its alright man, but wow I didn't know it was a class 3 felony! like it was said, high schoolers can get this stuff so I just thought it wasn't that harsh of a felony. what is steroids? is it the same as taking testosterone? or is there more in it?

Many types of steroids reference my above post. The most common steroid is currently testosterone.