Not entirely new: '11 SRT8 possibly up to 480 horse

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by SSC Super Venom

Funny thing the SRT-8 is in the GT500 class and can't fight the GT500's little brother and friend the Mustang GT and Camaro SS

No kidding! Chrysler is just pricing themselves out of the market. They can't win on price or performance. I highly doubt the new 6.4L SRT8 will be that much better than the 5.0 and SS if at all.

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by Speedfreak

new interior FTW

That's the thing, I don't think it's getting any major interior upgrades outside of the steering wheel.

[SSC Super Venom]

Originally Posted by Stew

A very good source is showing the starting price at 43100 for the SRT8 which is basically 7k difference. the are preliminary prices too meaning they will most likely change before the car comes out.

So your telling me that you are gonna get that srt-8 completly stock? and starting prices for the gt and ss are around 31 to 33k

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Stew

So the true difference feature for feature is around 6000 and the SRT still outfeatures the Camaro in particular.

We are talking about performance, not features. You can get a base model Camaro SS and a base model Mustang 5.0 for about $10k less than an SRT and have a faster car and $10k in your pocket.

I don't know about you, but I've never beaten someone in a race and had him say, "You may be faster, but I have a nav system and you don't".

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

We are talking about performance, not features. You can get a base model Camaro SS and a base model Mustang 5.0 for about $10k less than an SRT and have a faster car and $10k in your pocket.

I don't know about you, but I've never beaten someone in a race and had him say, "You may be faster, but I have a nav system and you don't".

The point is when talking PRICE you have to take everything in to consideration, including features, you are right about speed and it all depends on what you want in a car. Me I ain't picky, but using any car I have as a daily driver on 100 mile a day round trip kinda brings things in perspective. THere are features i just really wish my Jeep had in the circumstances (ie cruise control, heated seats for those 15 degree days, a beter than crappy stereo to keep me entertained, etc. If they offered a base SRT then it would be great to compare it to the 1SS, base GT, but with everything the SRT8 comes with standard it just really isn't fair to just say it's 10k more without taking the facts and features into account. Remember the Mustang GT can be over 40k loaded and if the SS had more available features and an interior comparable to the other 2 it would too.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

We are talking about performance, not features. You can get a base model Camaro SS and a base model Mustang 5.0 for about $10k less than an SRT and have a faster car and $10k in your pocket.

I don't know about you, but I've never beaten someone in a race and had him say, "You may be faster, but I have a nav system and you don't".

Only true if performance is you ONLY selection criteria, and you don't care about features. Cheap, stripped down performance is not something the SRT8 offers. Likewise, you cannot buy a CTS-V with luxurious Cloth seats and a stripped down interior .

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Only true if performance is you ONLY selection criteria, and you don't care about features. Cheap, stripped down performance is not something the SRT8 offers.

I'm just taking base model vs base model and comparing prices and performance. Notice the thread title mentions the new SRTs hp, not its new interior features.

I have a feeling a base model SRT is not a stripped down car, but I may be wrong.

[bigearl]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

We are talking about performance, not features. You can get a base model Camaro SS and a base model Mustang 5.0 for about $10k less than an SRT and have a faster car and $10k in your pocket.

I don't know about you, but I've never beaten someone in a race and had him say, "You may be faster, but I have a nav system and you don't".

Some of you may be talking about performance, some of you are talking about the car as a package. I'd be surprised if more than 1 or 2% of Camaros or Mustangs ever see the track. Having a nice car with a good muscle car vibe but has a nice comfortable ride and a feature suite that should be expected in a car of that price range would have appeal to a lot of people. I think the Camaro is more compelling overall for me, but I can easily see how the Challenger would be more appealing to some. It reminds me of a high feature Screaming Eagle HD Bagger. It's no sportbike, but it's loud and fast and impressive at the bar, does good burn-outs and can still go cross country.

[xs29j8]

Good discussion... And like many of you, I am waiting for the official word from Chrysler on horsepower/torque output of the new production version of the 6.4L Hemi. I have been following the posts of several "insiders" that post on some of the leading Mopar forums, sometimes dropping hints about upcoming changes or new products.

Before I found this thread, I posted the following in another thread... but it is probably a better fit here:

Originally Posted by xs29j8

As for horsepower/torque output of the new production version of the 6.4L Hemi, "Resume Speed" an insider with a good track record on advanced information, seems to indicate the HP will be much closer to 500... I hope he is right! Here is one of his posts on the HP:




He later said the rating would end in "5", leading to speculation that it would be 505 HP... which he as not discouraged at this point in time. IMHO, the new 6.4 needs to produce close to 500 HP... at that rating I will buy another SRT, at 460 HP I will just keep what I have now. Here is how RS mentioned the HP value ending in "5":

The riddle-like comments of RS are open to interpretation, but the latest hot rumor (maybe wishful thinking) based on his hints is 505 HP. Over the last 6 months the rumors have ranged from 460 HP to 525 HP, and recently there was the article predicting 480 HP.

Keep in mind that there will be two versions of the 6.4L Hemi, a MDS equipped version for the Automatic cars... and a Non-MDS (fixed displacement) version for the Six Speed cars. Based on RS's track record, I am going to "go-out-on-the-limb" and make my prediction for the two versions:

MDS 6.4L for Automatics - 480 HP

Non-MDS 6.4L for 6 Speeds - 505 HP

The general consensus on the other thread seemed to be that 500+ HP for a 6.4L pushrod N/A motor was a pipe dream, and even 480 HP was very unlikely... and that may well be true.

The Engineer side of me tells me that the 500 HP target is not achievable without a significant technology upgrade, but only VCT (like VVT) is rumored. But, taking a leap of faith, I am over-riding my pre-disposition to logic.

Anyone care to join me now out on a limb of their own with their prediction of the HP output for the two versions of the upcoming 6.4L SRT engine?

XS

[xs29j8]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

I have a feeling a base model SRT is not a stripped down car, but I may be wrong.

When I bought my 2009 SRT, there were only 5 options available, and one of them was "hood stripe delete". So, in reality only four real options could be added:

> Power Sunroof
> Nav System with all the other related gizmos
> 6 CD/13 Speaker Sound System Upgrade
> Goodyear F1 Supercar Tires

Everything else was standard on the SRT, including a number of amenities that I could live without (like heated seats, not a big requirement in Texas).

I purchased my SRT with only two options, the 6CD/13Spkr Sound System and the F1 Tires. I definitely did not want the other two options... not only due to the cost, but for other reasons as well.

BTW, the MSRP for my SRT was $43,900... and I paid $42,200 +TTL

XS

[Thrillz]

I only have 2 gripes about the SRT8 challenger is the interior which they are finally fixing and the stupid price they want for them. In canada with our crazy tax's the 2011 is going to cost you close to 60k. Sorry but thats pricing yourself out of the market imo. Your only option imo is go south and buy one if you really have to have it.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Thrillz

I only have 2 gripes about the SRT8 challenger is the interior which they are finally fixing and the stupid price they want for them. In canada with our crazy tax's the 2011 is going to cost you close to 60k. Sorry but thats pricing yourself out of the market imo. Your only option imo is go south and buy one if you really have to have it.

You still have to pay tax if you import a vehicle, and there are US taxes that you have to pay when you buy too. The exchange rate is another 4% loss right now and it won't be much different for quite a while. Plus, you can't just go and buy a new car from the US either (though there are ways around that, usually it involves buying far away from the border, which adds more cost). When you add it all up, there isn't much that could be saved by getting a Challenger, even SRT8, from the US. More expensive vehicles that start over $60k CAD on the other hand make a more sense. But the SRT8 is listed within about 10% of its US price (compared to 20 or 30% for some other cars) so it seems like they did a pretty good job on the Canadian pricing of 47k MSRP (they don't control the taxes on top of that ... )

[xs29j8]

Originally Posted by Thrillz

I only have 2 gripes about the SRT8 challenger is the interior which they are finally fixing and the stupid price they want for them. In canada with our crazy tax's the 2011 is going to cost you close to 60k. Sorry but thats pricing yourself out of the market imo. Your only option imo is go south and buy one if you really have to have it.

From what I have heard, the interior changes for 2011 are minimal. The main change will be a redesigned steering wheel, with few other changes. Also, White and other interior color options are expected during the model year.

You may have seen pictures of an interior in a pilot production car that is believed to for the restyled 2011 Charger. Have you seen something more specific about Challenger interior changes for 2011... maybe I missed something?

XS

[xs29j8]

Latest 6.4L Hemi Rumor... FWIW... Posted today after the end of the "Chryslers At Carlisle" show. Although I believe "Orange Crush" (the poster) was told the tale by a Chrysler employee, it just does not have the "ring of truth". Why sand-bag 25-45 HP... the engines will be dynoed as soon as they are released. I could believe that Chrysler might have to "de-tune" a 500+ HP engine to help the 5 Spd Auto survive until the 8 Spd ZF Auto comes into production. With the Viper side-lined, Chrysler needs a "Halo" car with at least 500 HP to lead the charge... so, it just doesn't make sense.

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