Surrounded by Ricers

[Cheveey57]

Originally Posted by jasonpope2003

Sorry for us old folks that will always be the definition.
and they are all still ricers.. weather it be a 1200 hp Supra or a ghettoed out Civic with a wing bigger than its hood... still a ricer.

Oh another one of those butthurt people that bought foreign cars so long and is upset we had to help save our OWN industry and country.

please.. I will never buy another foreign car again. time to support the home industries and stop making Japan rich.

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[jd10013]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

To understand how the Japanese have taken over the car industry starting in the late 60's you need not look any farther than what the Korean cars have done in the last 10 years. 10 years ago any car made in Korea was very cheap and junky, same as the Japanese were in the early 70's. but people bought them by the bucketloads only because they were cheap( their labor costs plus dumping cars over here cheaper than they could be bought in Japan didn't hurt them any). As the companies made more money be selling cheap cars they learned to improve them. Same as the Japanese cars did in the 80's, now Kia and Hyundai are quality cars and they are building them over here.
In fact the Japanese did the same thing with electronics and toys eventually running all the American companies out of business, then the Koreans just about ran the Japanese electronics companies out and now the Chinese are doing it to the Koreans.

pretty spot on, but you over simplify a bit as the US car companies weren't just helpless victims. they brought about a good bit of their own problems by not building what people wanted and letting costs explode out of control during the good times.

[thahemp]

Originally Posted by jd10013

college is like anything else, you can spend a little, a lot, or a fortune. this country offers easy affordable access to a formal education. but in my opinion, I don't think most of the student debt out there will be repaid. its up to a trillion dollars now. I don't know if a politician attempting to buy support will push to have it forgiven, or if it will simply go into default. but I don't expect us to ever collect all of it.

I was not aware the outstanding student debt was that high. Craziness.

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to bag on another American trend as of late, and that is the mentality that you don't necessarily have to pay back your debt. I just hate that reality. Bankruptcy should be the very last safety net, like when a person is destroyed by medical bills. The fact that it is a strategy for some (apparently lots) of people pisses me off.

[Mchlgrrsn]

Originally Posted by Ken_

Don't knock it, man! That sticker is good for probably 20 WHP

plus a little torque .. plus the unknown gains of "shock n awe"

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by jd10013

pretty spot on, but you over simplify a bit as the US car companies weren't just helpless victims. they brought about a good bit of their own problems by not building what people wanted and letting costs explode out of control during the good times.

I would have had to write 3 or 4 pages to explain it the way everything happened. I lived through it and I saw what was happening and as early as the mid 70's I was telling people that were buying Japanese cars what would happen, and it did. One more point I will make. Because of US unions and labor rates in the US at that time, and that was now a fixed overhead, US companies had to make cost cuts somewhere trying to compete price wise with them and quality suffered exaggerating the situation and driving more and more people away.

[jd10013]

the US car companies could have prevented what happened. in large part they never considered them a serious threat. they completely underestimated Japanese ingenuity and work ethic. there's a reason they were able to succeed here while companies like VW, Renault, and others failed. while they were building more reliable cars, packed with more tech and standard features the domestic companies were laughing and counting their money.

Nero fiddled as Rome burned.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by jd10013

the US car companies could have prevented what happened. in large part they never considered them a serious threat. they completely underestimated Japanese ingenuity and work ethic. there's a reason they were able to succeed here while companies like VW, Renault, and others failed. while they were building more reliable cars, packed with more tech and standard features the domestic companies were laughing and counting their money.

Nero fiddled as Rome burned.

It all started with American toy and electronics companies and then they did the same thing to the auto industry, and the auto industry almost suffered the same fate. History repeated itself and nobody was paying attention.

[MotorCity]

Originally Posted by whamslam3

so when i got off work tonight and went out to the parking lot i saw that there was a big group of ricers parked in the same area as i was. i guess they were some club or something. i felt so outnumbered i needed some back up hehe at least i had a camaro5 sticker on my car to represent hehe
just thought id share

yea I TOTALLY know how you feel... during the summer on Woodward Ave in Detroit, these teenagers and their "hella flush" "stanced" rides come out with the crazy negative camber and stretched tires. all show but no go... always seem to be wearing their hats off the very back of their heads. love it when I see a Camaro or Corvette blowing them away at a traffic light!

[Angrybird 12]

Anyone remember the fad of roller skate wheels of the 80's where they put 13" wheels and low profile tires on that were so offset they stuck out a half a foot from the side of the car.

[midnighter]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Anyone remember the fad of roller skate wheels of the 80's where they put 13" wheels and low profile tires on that were so offset they stuck out a half a foot from the side of the car.

Yep....I don't have any pics but my uncle bought a brand new Stylus in 1991 and did 13x7 reversed daytons on low pro tires and put the dumb chrome angled out splash guards. It was a real skateboard. (cool for 1991) I was into the mini trucks in those days.

[FRSTR90]

Originally Posted by thahemp

I was not aware the outstanding student debt was that high. Craziness.

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to bag on another American trend as of late, and that is the mentality that you don't necessarily have to pay back your debt. I just hate that reality. Bankruptcy should be the very last safety net, like when a person is destroyed by medical bills. The fact that it is a strategy for some (apparently lots) of people pisses me off.

Student loans, like child support, do not get waived through a bankruptcy.

About the other guys comment of the government not getting their money back, you do not know what the government is capable of doing... I see it on a daily basis. I'll leave it at that..

[thahemp]

Originally Posted by FRSTR90

Student loans, like child support, do not get waived through a bankruptcy.

About the other guys comment of the government not getting their money back, you do not know what the government is capable of doing... I see it on a daily basis. I'll leave it at that..

Hmm. So then going out and getting that student loan that one can't afford (but anyone can have) is going to ruin one's life someday.

[MBS]

Originally Posted by tpower

wanna return your car back to Canada then

Guess i would talk to GM Headquarters in DETROIT then wouldnt i? Where do you think this 5th gen was conceived? Answer Detroit . Where do you think the Honda Accord was conceived ? Answer Japan. :flag2:

[Ken_]

Originally Posted by jd10013

pretty spot on, but you over simplify a bit as the US car companies weren't just helpless victims. they brought about a good bit of their own problems by not building what people wanted and letting costs explode out of control during the good times.

I remember this quite clearly. We could get a hell of a lot of niceties and tech in cars and trucks from Japan while the US domestics just never got a clue to what the American buyer sentiment was. I remember looking at a C4 Corvette and how sexy it seemed until I got into the thing and was just grossed out by the fact it has such a crappy plastic interior and was only available in an automatic. I went across the street and jumped into a Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 and I was hooked... AWD twin turbo with digital.