Electric Vehicles

[chevy pilot]

Our cheapest EV is 21000$ Citroën Ë-C3.

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

From 2012 - 2023 we’ve had a Chevrolet Volt plugging into a 220V charger in our garage on a separate meter, so I know EXACTLY how much we pay. Never crossed $40/month. When I rented a Model Y in Atlanta and charged it at a mall, it cost $11.24 to charge from 55% charge to 90% charge.

Wow, you completely missed the point of my post and actually your response to it proves exactly what I was saying in my post.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

States are already looking at alternative methods to replace gasoline road tax. Most are leaning towards some combination of higher vehicle registration fees for EVs, higher registration fees for all vehicles, taxes based on vehicle miles travelled, and toll roads. Have yet to hear any of them suggest increase in electricity rates. Makes sense, because increases in electricity rates do not go to the state coffers. They go to the utility. And in most states, the utility rate increases are managed by a rate commission.

Should also note, according to my contacts at DTE the additional electricity used by an EV over the course of a year is about equivalent to the amount of electricity used annually by an additional freezer. My separate meter for my Volt pretty much bears that out. The difference is, the freezer is using a low amount of electricity all of the time, whereas the car takes its energy in big gulps. So the issue is managing to not have all the cars taking their big gulps at the same time or to have them do that during off-peak hours. Keep in mind that since most people can plug in everyday, it’s not the size of the battery that counts, it’s how much they consume in the course of a day. If a 200kWh Hummer EV only drove about 50 miles in the course of the day, it’s only replenishing about 25kWh.

So essentially you are saying the same thing I was. The states/feds will not just wash their hands of the tax revenue. You just took an entire paragraph to try to say it. (I notice that with a lot of your posts... You're very wordy) lol

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by chevy pilot

Our cheapest EV is 21000$ Citroën Ë-C3.

https://www.citroen.in/new-ec3

Maximum range is '200 miles' ('right' in my best Bill Cosby voice) and a 'fast' charge takes an hour. Top speed is 67 mph and it can run a blazing 0-38 mph in only 6.8 seconds!

Your EV future!

It's a 'steal'!!

[docwra]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

First, good luck finding chargers as easily as a gas station. Secondly, charging in many places is almost as expensive as gas stations in some regard. Thirdly, trying to have an EV and not own a home is unpractical realistically. Last, but not least, aside from Rivian and Tesla, I've yet to see a decent sized EV worth a crap.

I'm 6'3" and due to my shoe size, I'm roughly 6'8" sitting in a car. Trying to sit in these tin can EV cars is a no go...

Ill keep saying it ....... Im in Europe, I reckon we are about 5 years ahead of the US with this.
In the UK there are 30K public charging sites against 9K gas stations. Charging my Audi E-tron (a little smaller than a Q7, if you dont fit in that maybe you need to consider monster trucks) at a public charger is still only about half what it would cost in gas.
All new buildings are required to have car chargers installed, and apart from the fact our power rates are set by government, whats going to happen to gas prices as there are less and less ICE vehicles on the road?

In 5 years time when youve got all that, batteries are giving 1000 miles+ range and it takes <10 minutes to fill up will your opinion be different?

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

https://www.citroen.in/new-ec3

Maximum range is '200 miles' ('right' in my best Bill Cosby voice) and a 'fast' charge takes an hour. Top speed is 67 mph and it can run a blazing 0-38 mph in only 6.8 seconds!

Your EV future!

It's a 'steal'!!

I have to laugh... We just hired a new CIO here. He drives a EV BMW. He has a round trip from his place to the office here of 170 miles. He is trying to get the company here to put in an EV charger because he said in the winter there is no way he will make it round trip... LOL... Ya, where do I sign up for one of these EVs... Can only imagine how much he paid for an EV BMW also that won't allow him to make a 170 round trip in the winter. {SMDH}

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by docwra

In 5 years time when you've got all that, batteries are giving 1000 miles+ range and it takes <10 minutes to fill up will your opinion be different?

I need to mark this post and come back to it in 5 years.

Even if that was true (which is very doubtful) Why would anyone buy an EV today if that was going to be the case in just 5 years. Why wouldn't you just wait?

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

From 2012 - 2023 we’ve had a Chevrolet Volt plugging into a 220V charger in our garage on a separate meter, so I know EXACTLY how much we pay. Never crossed $40/month. When I rented a Model Y in Atlanta and charged it at a mall, it cost $11.24 to charge from 55% charge to 90% charge.

Wow... You completely missed the point of my post and actually your response just proves that my post you quoted is true.

My post stated that all pro EV owners ever want to talk about today is the cost of charging today, they never want to talk about what it will be when/if EVs take over ICE. Enjoy those cheap rates while you can.

[bigd1276]

In 5 years time when youve got all that, batteries are giving 1000 miles+ range and it takes <10 minutes to fill up will your opinion be different?

I'm still waiting for the "flying cars" we were told that were coming 50 years ago.

[bigd1276]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...5da65a79&ei=24

Executive Chair Bill Ford and Chief Executive Jim Farley expressed concern that a highly favorable contract with the United Auto Workers (UAW) union could deeply wound Ford Motor Co. (NYSE: F) financially. However, they could always point to Ford's EV future and how it would transform the car company. Instead, it announced a major retreat from these electric vehicle plans. (These are the first eight vehicles that stopped production when the UAW called a strike.)
Ford’s battle with the UAW is not over. The UAW management has cut a deal wildly in its favor. However, union members may not accept it as good enough. A new round of bargaining could put Ford in an even worse position. The contract is already rich. Union members get a raise of 25% over about four years. They receive improved and expensive benefits. Ford’s chief financial officer, John Lawler, worried that this would compromise the company's ability to develop new vehicles.

Shockingly, Ford throttled back sharply in its EV investment. CNBC reported, “Ford will postpone about $12 billion in EV investment as buyers become more cautious.” Almost all of Ford’s road forward was based on this massive investment. It has been thrown on the junk pile and will be hard to retrieve as some other auto companies move forward, although General Motors may also have to retreat. Tesla, however, continues to charge ahead.
Ford said EV demand had softened. For Ford, it may never have been hard. Consumers will not pay premiums for EVs, management said. What it did not say is that EV sales face a choppy period, at best, because consumers do not like that there are too few charging stations, charging takes too long and the range of the cars is not favorable compared to gasoline-powered models. There is also evidence that Republicans rarely buy EVs, which is a large dent in the market.

Related video: Reaction after UAW and Ford reach tentative

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

In a way he's not wrong, in general. They try to perfect dystopia in Europe then ship it here.

I'm not saying they don't make improvements, that's obvious. I'm laughing at the fact that he thinks what he posted is going to be achievable in 5 years to the masses. Batteries that get 1000 miles on a charge and charge in less then 10 minutes... If anyone believes that, great... I'll believe it when I see it.

I've been reading for years on the forums I'm on about how EVs are going to take over. But now all I see online and read is that the manufactures are cutting production because nobody is buying them. IDK.. That's why I take all EV talk/discussions with grain of salt.

Normally I don't even bother getting into EV discussion threads, because it's a polarizing as politics or religion discussions. I can go back on EV threads on forums I'm on from years past and all the same arguments that are on the 78 pages of post in this thread were all the same $hit back then. I was just bored the other day, so I jumped in...I'm about to check back out... lol

Enjoy

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by jamala00

Wow... You completely missed the point of my post and actually your response just proves that my post you quoted is true.

My post stated that all pro EV owners ever want to talk about today is the cost of charging today, they never want to talk about what it will be when/if EVs take over ICE. Enjoy those cheap rates while you can.

I’m a lot more confident in the cost of electricity 5 years from now than I am with the cost of gasoline 5 years from now. I think we all enjoyed those cheap gas prices…until they weren’t.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by docwra

Ill keep saying it ....... Im in Europe, I reckon we are about 5 years ahead of the US with this.
In the UK there are 30K public charging sites against 9K gas stations. Charging my Audi E-tron (a little smaller than a Q7, if you dont fit in that maybe you need to consider monster trucks) at a public charger is still only about half what it would cost in gas.
All new buildings are required to have car chargers installed, and apart from the fact our power rates are set by government, whats going to happen to gas prices as there are less and less ICE vehicles on the road?

In 5 years time when youve got all that, batteries are giving 1000 miles+ range and it takes <10 minutes to fill up will your opinion be different?

They will go down. Less demand.

Unless, of course, governments pile on even more taxes in order to further "incentivize" people to buy the approved mode of transportation.

[Windycity]

Originally Posted by jamala00

I'm not saying they don't make improvements, that's obvious. I'm laughing at the fact that he thinks what he posted is going to be achievable in 5 years to the masses. Batteries that get 1000 miles on a charge and charge in less then 10 minutes... If anyone believes that, great... I'll believe it when I see it.

Solid state batteries are close to mass production and will eliminate most of the controversies regarding EVs

They probably won’t get 1000 miles to a charge by will be close and yes 10 minutes to charge is correct


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[Windycity]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I’m a lot more confident in the cost of electricity 5 years from now than I am with the cost of gasoline 5 years from now. I think we all enjoyed those cheap gas prices…until they weren’t.

I agree


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