Electric Vehicles

[0stones0]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I believe you, and you are obviously well informed, but yes, it still sucks to see the end of performance ICE development beyond Italian supercars (at least those will continue for a while). Maybe the ICE Corvette will provide an incentive to bring back a 7th gen V8 Camaro someday. A future of EVs isn't intriguing to me whatsoever. When a manufacturer comes out with a new EV, even Lamborghini, Lotus, or Porsche, I just don't care about it, no matter how much power it has. I don't even care about the Rimac supercar EV.

Maybe that will change over time, and I hope future EVs are exciting somehow, but right now, they don't excite me - it's like they are using a cheat code and that isn't fun for anyone. And no, adding a fake digital engine rev (ahem, Dodge) doesn't make them exciting. It's extremely cheesy and corny.

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Maybe it’s to “wean” us from that great ICE sound we all have come to love. Nah… not gonna work for me. Not now, and not 10 years from now.

[KMPrenger]

I just wish we had an actual sensible, stepped approach to this change. I'm mostly looking at you "gm", but also government, and anyone out there screaming "EVs R the BesT!"

As Jim stated already...a mix of ICE, hybrid, and full EV is the answer. "gm" going full bore into full on EVs only with pretty much zero hybrid annoys the piss out of me and makes me a bit upset with them. I've owned lots of brands, but gm brands are mostly my prefered brands. One of these days that decision may force me to look elsewhere, and I think....almost sort of hope that decision bites them in the butt.

When...or IF...we reach a battery breakthrough (lets say solid state) that enables even greater rangers with short charge times....so on and so forth... every EV today will be worth pretty much nothing. In the meantime, if I want to save the environment without causing anxiety to myself or my family, I'll get a hybrid, and gm doesn't offer one.

Don't get me started on e-fuels. Imagine having access to e-fuels to run in our hybrids and ICE powered cars. Almost makes EVs nearly pointless in my mind.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

When...or IF...we reach a battery breakthrough (lets say solid state) that enables even greater rangers with short charge times....so on and so forth... every EV today will be worth pretty much nothing.

Hopefully someone will make an LS conversion kit that 9000 lb $112k Hummer EV paperweight.

[Gen6cyl]

Seems like Japan still has interest in ic. I have read they are working on hydrogen ic engines.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

Seems like Japan still has interest in ic. I have read they are working on hydrogen ic engines.

Hydrogen makes sense for Japan, whether it’s hydrogen fuel cell (where they really want to be) or hydrogen IC. Japan is an island with limited land mass, so they can cover the entire country with only a few hydrogen reformation stations. This would make them energy independent.

As it is, Japan is very energy dependent. They import most if not all of their oil. Electric can work for Japan, except that the larger cities are very congested and a large portion of the population lives in multi-story dwellings with no dedicated parking. So where do you park overnight? One of the reasons Toyota favors hybrids over plug-in hybrids. And Fuel Cell over EV.

Bad thing for Toyota is that the markets that they sell most of their vehicles in do not set up well for hydrogen formation, transport, or storage.

[Gen6cyl]

Martinjlm your automotive knowledge is impressive. Do you think a ev can be made that would satisfy a old guy who has always enjoyed the sound, feel and driving experience of a ic , manual transmission sports car.

[FarmerFran]

Looks like Dodge might maybe make a gas Charger car... gasp, imagine that

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

Martinjlm your automotive knowledge is impressive. Do you think a ev can be made that would satisfy a old guy who has always enjoyed the sound, feel and driving experience of a ic , manual transmission sports car.

Can they? Yes, with some additional development time. But it’s not a priority now so none of us should hold our breath waiting for it. Once the basic blocking and tackling is done and engineers are allowed to innovate, cool things happen. I’ve seen it dozens of times in my career.

I was a transmission gear engineer during the early wave of FWD. Rule of thumb then was that you couldn’t put more than 120 hp through the front axles. My 2012 SRX puts more than 300 hp through the front axles and it’s nowhere near BIC. Corvettes had 180 hp back then, unless they had the high performance L82 (200 hp!!). We’re at the early stages of the second wave of BEV. We should start seeing some really cool innovation in the next gen.

Gen6cyl, I appreciate the compliment. I just try to provide some inside views of what’s going on and what’s coming down the pipeline.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Looks like Dodge might maybe make a gas Charger car... gasp, imagine that

That was always the plan. It’s a multi-energy platform, not an EV skateboard. Multi-energy means the platform can build ICE, hybrid, plug-in hybrid, or BEV. In Dodge’s case expect hybrid, plug-in hybrid and BEV variants.

[Wyzz Kydd]

EVs, an unworkable solution to a nonexistent problem. The result of letting government dictate solutions rather than letting the market create them, AND, of course, much more expensive than they're represented to be.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new...main-expensive

https://issuesinsights.com/2023/10/2...lobal-warming/

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

EVs, an unworkable solution to a nonexistent problem. The result of letting government dictate solutions rather than letting the market create them, AND, of course, much more expensive than they're represented to be.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new...main-expensive

It's standard procdure to subsidize "new" technology's start-up costs. For how long and how much is the big question. I'm ok with it as long as it's responsibly done and not just to line pockets.

At some point the teat suckers have to be pulled off the money spigot and stand on their own, though. When that occurs will be determined later, apparently. That will be the major test. Why can't the OEMs just be told something like "Hey, by 2028, all EV subsidies will evaporate, so you need to have your shit together by then." Just throw out any arbitrary date and stick to it. They do it with everything else.

GM's touting a big profits this week, so if that continues for them and other OEMs, subsidies should start to dwindle. But I'm guessing they won't. I mean, as the story goes, it was THEIR OWN DECISION, without any external pressures, to go this route, right? So let them pay for it as their profits rise.

Will EVs actually cost less than ICE vehicles? Can they out and out be a drop-in replacement our favorite ICE vehicles? I'm sure that's one goal, but right now, no friggin' way. Eventually, depending on advances in technology, they likely might. This isn't going to happen overnight like some that spend our tax money like a drunken sailor think it will. No flick of the switch will make it happen fast.

Even though there are lots of EVs sold already, what they're don't tell you are the stories of real people owning them and some of the issues they have with them and things to be aware of. They only want to show you the pros without any cons. There needs to be a learning curve of owning/maintaining an EV just like the switch from RWD to FWD many years ago. And be prepared that if your car breaks, you may be waiting for repair parts whether it's gas, diesel, or EV.

I wish the OEMs well in their future endeavors. I'm choosing not to participate in their new adventures until they twist arms and force me to, which is more likely than not. It's not because I have anything against EVs themselves. I just am not a fan of how they're doing all this to satisfy someone else's agenda based on...well, nothing really tangible IMO.

[CalgaryZL1]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with EV vehicles, my snow blower is the cats ass, no cords no gas! And I have two batteries, with literally perpetual runtime

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by CalgaryZL1

There is absolutely nothing wrong with EV vehicles, my snow blower is the cats ass, no cords no gas! And I have two batteries, with literally perpetual runtime

But do you drive it to work or on vacations?

I don't own a snow blower. They don't even sell them around here. I haven't even seen one in person in probably 30 years.

[0stones0]

Originally Posted by CalgaryZL1

There is absolutely nothing wrong with EV vehicles, my snow blower is the cats ass, no cords no gas! And I have two batteries, with literally perpetual runtime

Well, EV’s don’t come with multiple interchangeable batteries so, there isn't “perpetual runtime” .
Glad you're happy with your snowblower but, means nothing it the sense of EV.