All new 2015 Mustang beginning production in just 4 days (July 14)

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by Mwalterhouse

The styling does nothing for me.

It might grow on you..I dont like it either but it might with a refresh. The 2011-2012 Mustangs did nothing for me till the 2013's...they nailed that one. The 2014 Camaro is a step back in looks imo.

[bobby35ny]

I think we will be behind in the HP wars for a long time. Takes years to R&D an engine program. Chevy is still married to pushrod V-8's at this time.
-Bobby

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

I think we will be behind in the HP wars for a long time. Takes years to R&D an engine program. Chevy is still married to pushrod V-8's at this time.
-Bobby

It has nothing to do with push rods. It has everything to do with GM building an engine and then never upgrading it. Not to mention the fact that everyone and their mother knows the LT1 will be in the SS Camaro and will make 450 horsepower or less. Ford and Dodge have both modified their engines to increase power over time. I don't understand why GM refuses to do the same thing.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

It has nothing to do with push rods. It has everything to do with GM building an engine and then never upgrading it. Not to mention the fact that everyone and their mother knows the LT1 will be in the SS Camaro and will make 450 horsepower or less. Ford and Dodge have both modified their engines to increase power over time. I don't understand why GM refuses to do the same thing.

Agreed. We don't need a slide rule to figure out what the Camaro will get in the 6th gen. Unless the LT1 is getting a horsepower bump for 2016 (which wouldn't surprise me at all from GM) We will see Corvette engines tuned for a Camaro specs/weights/mpg configuration.

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

It has nothing to do with push rods. It has everything to do with GM building an engine and then never upgrading it. Not to mention the fact that everyone and their mother knows the LT1 will be in the SS Camaro and will make 450 horsepower or less. Ford and Dodge have both modified their engines to increase power over time. I don't understand why GM refuses to do the same thing.

Push rods are the limitation here, they only can get so much out of it them MPG suffers. LS3 to LT1, 25HP increase? That's pretty sad. With the HP wars in progress, we need much more than that.
-bobby

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

Push rods are the limitation here, they only can get so much out of it them MPG suffers. LS3 to LT1, 25HP increase? That's pretty sad. With the HP wars in progress, we need much more than that.
-bobby

The 392 is a push rod engine. I don't see anyone complaining that it makes 485 horsepower.

Seems like the stock LT1 tune leaves a lot on the table.

[Silverlsinva]

392 also has Gas Guzzler tax as well.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

Push rods are the limitation here, they only can get so much out of it them MPG suffers. LS3 to LT1, 25HP increase? That's pretty sad. With the HP wars in progress, we need much more than that.
-bobby

You need to do your homework. The LT1 is a great engine and would put the 5.0 in its place.

The LT1 makes a ton more power under the curve as compared to the LS3, not to mention it makes 460 HP in the Corvette with the performance exhaust....not 450.

Nothing more than a tune unleashes another 25 - 30 HP. Headers puts you well over 500.

So in the end we get an engine with a crap ton of low end torque, with a nice top end capable of 500+ HP with a few basic mods. What more do you want?

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

You need to do your homework. The LT1 is a great engine and would put the 5.0 in its place.

The LT1 makes a ton more power under the curve as compared to the LS3, not to mention it makes 460 HP in the Corvette with the performance exhaust....not 450.

Nothing more than a tune unleashes another 25 - 30 HP. Headers puts you well over 500.

So in the end we get an engine with a crap ton of low end torque, with a nice top end capable of 500+ HP with a few basic mods. What more do you want?

Your misunderstanding me and I'm talking stock for stock not modding.
450 or 460 or 475 is not going to do it in the next 3 yrs with the HP wars going on right now.

-Bobby

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

Your misunderstanding me and I'm talking stock for stock not modding.
450 or 460 or 475 is not going to do it in the next 3 yrs with the HP wars going on right now.

-Bobby

I get what you are saying and I agree but it is what it is and that's what GM has given us.

I did read that the redline for the new 5.0 hasn't changed so it will be interesting to see where it's power ends up. The BOSS made 444 at, what, 7,500 rpm? With the 5.0 not revving that high, I don't see how it will surpass it. It seems like Ford is trying to maximize low end torque knowing the LT1 will decimate the 5.0 there.

[khell86]

The LT1 is definitely a beast in regards to torque, but gearing can even the game up some. The GT is a prime example of it. The MT-82 is geared perfectly for the 5.0's power band.

[87GNX]

The 2nd gen 5.0 will get charge motion control valves that will produce the lower end torque that the coyote presently doesnt generate.. I dont think the lt1 will decimate the 5.0 whatsoever. The 5.0 will get d.i in 2016, making close to 470+ hp...Gm will need to make sure the next camaro isn't a fat pig like it is now ( I had a 2011), the game is going to get very interesting in a year or so. Gearing is going to be crucial in both of these.

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

You need to do your homework. The LT1 is a great engine and would put the 5.0 in its place.

The LT1 makes a ton more power under the curve as compared to the LS3, not to mention it makes 460 HP in the Corvette with the performance exhaust....not 450.

Nothing more than a tune unleashes another 25 - 30 HP. Headers puts you well over 500.

So in the end we get an engine with a crap ton of low end torque, with a nice top end capable of 500+ HP with a few basic mods. What more do you want?

You can get 500 crank hp right now from a coyote with a CJ intake, headers, tune, tb, x pipe cat delete, and a few other boltons (over 500 with phase 3 cams). Its that easy. If the mustang weighed a much as a c7, this would really show of these awesome motors.

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by khell86

The LT1 is definitely a beast in regards to torque, but gearing can even the game up some. The GT is a prime example of it. The MT-82 is geared perfectly for the 5.0's power band.

So is the a6. The a6 is faster than the mt 82 when tuned.