Mean While At the Ford Factory!!!

[StigsAmericanCousin]

So what I'm gathering from this post is Camaro guys don't like the new Mustang because it is too Fusion-ey and will offer a turbo 4 cylinder??? I'd imagine that this isn't the demographic Ford had in mind for the new Mustang, as it definitely doesn't have T-tops or induce mullets (jokes guys calm down). Remember, this car isn't just for North America, Europe and Australia are getting in on the fun. But just for shits and giggles let's run down the check list of don't likes and see where it lands on my estimate of what Ford's Give-A-Shit-Ometer may look like.

1. It doesn't look like a MUSCLE CAR!!! I think this scores a resounding zero on the Give-A-Shit-Ometer. The Mustang (and Camaro for that matter) are not and never will be muscle cars.

2. No MUSCLE CAR should come with a (turbo) 4 cylinder! The turbo 4 will be the base engine is fuel starved Europe. This accomplishes two things for Ford, helping fit within tighter CAFE restrictions and ensuring that real people car afford the car. Remember, we wouldn't have Mustang, Camaro or Challenger if there were base model cars running around without V8 engines. GASO score ZERO!

Well I ran out of bullet points but that seemed to be the majority of whining I picked up on.

I have to say initially I wasn't impressed, but the more I see the car, the more I like it. While the entire car doesn't scream "I'm American and I'm a Mustang!" it looks like a Mustang to me. I see less Fusion and more BMW and Aston Martin than anything else. The thing that intrigues me most is the turbo 4. I wouldn't buy one, but I want to drive it. Why do I want to drive it? I have no idea, but I do.

Ford claims the 5.0 powered version of the car outperforms the outgoing Boss Mustang. If that's true I want a side by side comparo of a 1LE and Mustang GT with the track pack.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

You extrapolated from other power plants, made by different manufacturers. Nothing you posted is a fact regarding Ford's engine. You don't know what the new Ford 4 cylinder will do, you're guessing. We do know what the V6 will do, and that Ford wanted to replace the V6 with the T4, but decided they couldn't.

We know it will make more than 305hp and 300tq unless you don't consider official Ford press releases reputable, in which case this entire discussion is moot because the Mustang could come with a twin-turbo v12 bio-diesel. Everything else is logical inference based on comparable technologies from Ford and competitors.

It is highly unlikely that an I4 twin-scroll turbocharged DI engine will make peak torque later than 3k rpm, especially considering Ford's current 2.0 offering without twin-scroll and less displacement makes peak torque before 3,000rpm as I showed you with a dyno earlier. Given that it is stated to make over 305hp we know it must hold near that torque into later rpm ranges given hp = tq*rpm/5252. This is simple logic.

You are too dense to have a reasonable discussion, obviously. If you really think there is any way this engine will come out with less overall torque than the DOHC V6 you know absolutely nothing about turbocharged engines, a fact that was obvious when you confused twin-scroll and twin-turbo. I'll be sure to pay close attention to your excuses when this car comes out.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by trademaster

You are too dense to have a reasonable discussion, obviously. If you really think there is any way this engine will come out with less overall torque than the DOHC V6 you know absolutely nothing about turbocharged engines, a fact that was obvious when you confused twin-scroll and twin-turbo. I'll be sure to pay close attention to your excuses when this car comes out.

... with a V6, because Ford felt it was necessary.

Obviously you're too pissy to listen to me. Listen to Ford then.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

All you need to know is that a lightly modded Mustang 2.3 ecoboost with tune will likely be nipping at the heals of a stock Camaro SS running down the drag strip.

I can guarantee you some of them will hit 12s with nothing more than a couple bolt ons, tune, and tires..

Its too bad you can't respect that.

With all the low to mid 13-sec times I see out of the SS, I'm not sure the 2.3 will even need a tune. My guess it will be mid 13-sec car right out of the showroom in capable hands.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

... with a V6, because Ford felt it was necessary.

Obviously you're too pissy to listen to me. Listen to Ford then.

I'm too well informed to listen to you. Ford included the V6 to keep base-model costs down. That in no way suggests the V6 will perform at the same level as the turbo 4. It won't.

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by el ess A

Does someone actually CARE if they put 4-cylinders in a Mustang? It won't affect me. I'll never own a 4-cyl car. Ever. I think all the answers can be found on www.WGAS.com

You said it brother!!