2013 Shelby GT500 Pricing Out

[YourBlindingBias]

^so true and so sad that alot of these high performance cars are stuffed into a garage or only driven if the sun is out on the 3rd week of a leap year etc...
I guess people just want to say they have one and stare at it... lol

[eolson]

The amazing thing that GM did a long time ago, was to actually commit to a true American , low riding, two seat sports car, the Corvette.

Ford tried and went too far with the Ford GT which was an exotic, and it died quickly. Otherwise Ford is always half assing it with their"performance category. Because of Chevy's heavy commitment to the Corvette and it's racing activities, all this great and amazing high performance technology has trickled into GM's street cars with top end aerodynamics, suspension and chassis performance, brakes.

Fords engines have been revolutionary, but otherwise they have not committed to these other categories in the ahead of the game way that GM has for it's high performance street cars.

If you look at the new Z06 (Z07 package plus magnetic adjustable shocks) track times, it's just ridiculous how well that car takes on a track and is still able to be a daily driver.
Erik

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by eolson

The amazing thing that GM did a long time ago, was to actually commit to a true American , low riding, two seat sports car, the Corvette.

Ford tried and went too far with the Ford GT which was an exotic, and it died quickly. Otherwise Ford is always half assing it with their"performance category. Because of Chevy's heavy commitment to the Corvette and it's racing activities, all this great and amazing high performance technology has trickled into GM's street cars with top end aerodynamics, suspension and chassis performance, brakes.

Fords engines have been revolutionary, but otherwise they have not committed to these other categories in the ahead of the game way that GM has for it's high performance street cars.

If you look at the new Z06 (Z07 package plus magnetic adjustable shocks) track times, it's just ridiculous how well that car takes on a track and is still able to be a daily driver.
Erik

ford has always had a spoty history with racing and so has GM if look at the true historical record.

they get really focused for a time period acomplish a goal and then get out. The GT40 program is like that, the original boss program was like that, the Z28 camaro program was like that. The corvette program has been up and down lately but they are still in it.

were you look at a company like ferrari or something they have been all in every year no matter what. I think it is funny that somoen like ford can come in spend a couple years piss in there cheerio's then step out but they deffinatly are not in it for the long haul. allthough carrol shelby had alot to do with that. I mean his daytona coupe was actually faster than the gt40 but ford just kind of bought him out. that is a true amazing story right there his small team dominated the world for a year.

Even in nascar if it was for names like roush, yates, hendrick, etc factory suport is not where is should be IMO.

the awesome thing about the ZL-1, boss 302, corvette, 2013gt500 is they are doing actuall at the track deveopement again and taking feedback from pro drivers. It is win win for the consumer.

[ffrcobra_65]

Too funny, now people gripe about the GT500 because it may cost a measly $2k more to run down the ZL1 in roads with turns. $2k is nothing to people who buy these cars. The ZL1 doesnt come with 650hp option or and 300lbd delete.
What happened to the 0-60 and 1/4 races where 99% of the bragging rights races between these two cars will happen? Five credit where credit is due.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by eolson

Ford tried and went too far with the Ford GT which was an exotic, and it died quickly.

The only reason the Ford GT40 was made was because Enzo Ferrari contacted Ford and told them they would be interested in selling Ferrari to Ford. Ford spent a few million in auditing Ferrari and lawyers and then Enzo backed out.

Ford's only reason for the GT40 was to beat the Ferrari on their track.

[25thanniversary]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

People shouldn't get into cars they can't REALLY afford, if you are financing the whole thing you may want to look at otyher cars and priorities.

No worries I have other priorities than dropping a big chunk of change on a car. That is why I said in my 1st post no thanks I will stay with my house instead. (1st page 3rd post down)

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by eolson

The amazing thing that GM did a long time ago, was to actually commit to a true American , low riding, two seat sports car, the Corvette.

Ford tried and went too far with the Ford GT which was an exotic, and it died quickly. Otherwise Ford is always half assing it with their"performance category. Because of Chevy's heavy commitment to the Corvette and it's racing activities, all this great and amazing high performance technology has trickled into GM's street cars with top end aerodynamics, suspension and chassis performance, brakes.

Fords engines have been revolutionary, but otherwise they have not committed to these other categories in the ahead of the game way that GM has for it's high performance street cars.

If you look at the new Z06 (Z07 package plus magnetic adjustable shocks) track times, it's just ridiculous how well that car takes on a track and is still able to be a daily driver.
Erik

i wouldnt say the Corvette has been a technological marvel either. People here poke fun at Ford for using a live axle (that WORKS!) yet dont say much about the Corvette using archaic leaf springs (even older technology that WORKS!).

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

i wouldnt say the Corvette has been a technological marvel either. People here poke fun at Ford for using a live axle (that WORKS!) yet dont say much about the Corvette using archaic leaf springs (even older technology that WORKS!).

corvette is an odd blend. it is a composite leaf that wieghs less than coilovers. without the mag ride it suffers over rough surfaces with the mag ride though based on what the ZR-1 and Z07 does it is all about perspective.

they are some of fastest prodcution cars ever made on a track. they do have some of the best braking of any car produced though as well.

maybe it is a genuis combination??? who knows.

A live axel is never going to be a plus on the road course but at the drag strip it is IMO. So that is really a trade off depending on which you do more. An auto 2013 GT500 would be a drag racers dream. live rear axle, big power, just brace up the rear, put some spherical arms on, add some slickes hello ten seconds and consitancy all day long.

one thing I hate about my vette when drag racing is wheel hop and I am not a good enough drive to be consistant enough to braket race. It is retarded fast though for a stock car.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by hognutz

corvette is an odd blend. it is a composite leaf that wieghs less than coilovers. without the mag ride it suffers over rough surfaces with the mag ride though based on what the ZR-1 and Z07 does it is all about perspective.

they are some of fastest prodcution cars ever made on a track. they do have some of the best braking of any car produced though as well.

maybe it is a genuis combination??? who knows.

A live axel is never going to be a plus on the road course but at the drag strip it is IMO. So that is really a trade off depending on which you do more. An auto 2013 GT500 would be a drag racers dream. live rear axle, big power, just brace up the rear, put some spherical arms on, add some slickes hello ten seconds and consitancy all day long.

one thing I hate about my vette when drag racing is wheel hop and I am not a good enough drive to be consistant enough to braket race. It is retarded fast though for a stock car.

again if it works, why try to find reasons to fault it?? As you can see, even though the vette is old tech, it makes it work. Until the ZL1 came out the mustang had no problem outperforming the Camaro, thats IRS vs Live axle on road courses! . We're still not even sure if what seperates the ZL1's performance from the GT500 (if it even does) should be attributed mostly to some shocks or if its because of the IRS.

[TheReaper]

Originally Posted by Jamie Mac

Assuming of course that Ford is completely asleep and doesn't do anything to improve their car prior to a new Camaro. I'm betting they will keep on tweaking. I haven't been through the build sites of either car but in my opinion if you option up "the car that shall not be named" with nav, glass roof etc then it's probably going to be strictly a waxer car. Being realistic about it, most of the ZL1's are going to be low mileage highly waxed cars that will never see a track. No different than the current crop of 5th gens that are already in the hands of the consumer. How many SS drivers on here do you know that have already modded their SS past the price of either a ZL1 or "the car that shall not be named" and have never seen a track? Never seen a cloud much less a rain drop? Start threads because they have a stone chip? I'm looking forward to Camarofest. Drags and Autocross. Anyone showing up with a "car that shall not be named" will be ready to rumble. The question is, will the ZL1 owners put their cars to the challenge. I for one hope they do and look forward to seeing the competition done by real world owners and drivers instead of magazines and Internet speculation.

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[Sax1031]

The mustang with the live axle has been winning championships, against IRS equipped vehicles, in road racing series.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by hognutz

ford has always had a spoty history with racing and so has GM if look at the true historical record.

they get really focused for a time period acomplish a goal and then get out. The GT40 program is like that, the original boss program was like that, the Z28 camaro program was like that. The corvette program has been up and down lately but they are still in it.

were you look at a company like ferrari or something they have been all in every year no matter what. I think it is funny that somoen like ford can come in spend a couple years piss in there cheerio's then step out but they deffinatly are not in it for the long haul. allthough carrol shelby had alot to do with that. I mean his daytona coupe was actually faster than the gt40 but ford just kind of bought him out. that is a true amazing story right there his small team dominated the world for a year.

After Ford/Shelby won the World GT Championship in 1965 (they'd have won in '64, too, if Ferrari hadn't finagled the cancellation of the last race), Shelby's efforts at Ford's decree were centered on the GT40 Program, leading to LeMans victories in '66 and '67.

The Ford GT40 and Shelby Daytona actually raced in different Classes...and the GT40 was faster...with less hp (350) initially than the Daytona's 380... Then, upgraded to the 427, the GT40 Mark IVs were legitimate 215+ mph machines, fully 30 mph faster than the less-aero Daytona, which was 25 mph faster than the non-aero Cobra Roadsters.

Ford GT40 specs, 1965 http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/d...=1004&i=2#menu

Shelby Daytona Coupe specs, 1965 http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/d...=9466&i=2#menu

Shelby's racing efforts, like his "production" cars, were underwritten by Ford. Without Ford, there likely would have been NO Cobras. Remember, Shelby approached GM first, and was turned down. Ray Brock, publisher of Hot Rod Magazine, was the one who mentioned to "Ol' Shel" the coming availability of an all-new Ford small-block V8...the 221 cum 260 cum 289... Shelby took his plan to Dearborn, and they said, "Yes"...and the rest is history...

[Sax1031]

Yes GM turned Shelby down.

That is why he stated that with the "AC" Cobra he wanted to kick the Corvette's ass.

[garcmol]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So you are admitting the Ford is a 1/4 car only and the ZL1 will be the track champ?

Never said that. I'm just pointing out that a live rear axle has always been the set up of choice in the 1/4. Look at the COPO. Couple live axle, 80 more ponies and lighter, I wouldn't take the bet that was posed.

I do believe on a road course the IRS reigns design wise.