Electric Vehicles

[Wyzz Kydd]

Well it’s been a month long suspension. It was tough, but I survived. I’ve truly learned my lesson. Never again will I type the forbidden word ‘vote’.

I’ll try to avoid mentioning that the moderator, Tran, is an ignorant fool too. Heaven knows I would hate to be banned from a forum as important as Camaro6.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by 90503

Diesel-Electric Locomotives have been around for quite a while...a diesel engine driving an alternator that produces electricity to run electric motors...That seems more efficient than the diesel engine driving the wheels....Not sure how that equates to diesel charging batteries at an EV station....

Anyhoo what I've read seems to concede that diesel generators will be needed at EV charging stations as a supplement and back-up as the grid or solar/wind electrical supply isn't and won't always be enough or reliable full time.

Went to Atlanta and rented a Model Y. Stopped by Lenox Square Mall. They had two banks of chargers on different sides of the mall. Not a single diesel generator in sight. The bank that I chose to park on had 14 chargers. 6 were Tesla only. 8 were EVGo with multiple charge cords each. Three of those had Tesla cords among the multiple cords. I plugged into one of those at 55% charge, set it to stop at 80% charge and went shopping. In reality, I watched shopping happen. I think y’all know what I mean. The charge rate was 50V. That’s not particularly fast. Tesla chargers charge at 125V, but those were all taken by the time I got there. After about 35-40 minutes I got a text saying that my charging had stopped at 82%. Cost me $11.24. For what is in effect a full tank in my Camaro (about 260 miles on e85 - $50 for a full tank).

When I pulled into the charger there was a Dodge Charger (ironically) parked at one of the chargers. He had a ticket on his windshield for parking in an unauthorized spot. When I came back to get my car there were two different non-plug-in vehicles about to park in charger parking spots, so I told them that I had watched a car get a ticket for parking in those spots, so I feel like I probably saved them from a big ticket in what is otherwise a free parking lot.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Went to Atlanta and rented a Model Y. Stopped by Lenox Square Mall. They had two banks of chargers on different sides of the mall. Not a single diesel generator in sight. The bank that I chose to park on had 14 chargers. 6 were Tesla only. 8 were EVGo with multiple charge cords each. Three of those had Tesla cords among the multiple cords. I plugged into one of those at 55% charge, set it to stop at 80% charge and went shopping. In reality, I watched shopping happen. I think y’all know what I mean. The charge rate was 50V. That’s not particularly fast. Tesla chargers charge at 125V, but those were all taken by the time I got there. After about 35-40 minutes I got a text saying that my charging had stopped at 82%. Cost me $11.24. For what is in effect a full tank in my Camaro (about 260 miles on e85 - $50 for a full tank).

Believe the Tesla plugs on the EvGo chargers are using the old Chademo part of the charger which is slow...... Hence why they were open. Obviously still got the job done for you though.

When I pulled into the charger there was a Dodge Charger (ironically) parked at one of the chargers. He had a ticket on his windshield for parking in an unauthorized spot. When I came back to get my car there were two different non-plug-in vehicles about to park in charger parking spots, so I told them that I had watched a car get a ticket for parking in those spots, so I feel like I probably saved them from a big ticket in what is otherwise a free parking lot.

About time I hear some kind of enforcement for people ICE'ing chargers.

Some probably do it out of ignorance if not most( unaware those spots are charger-equipped).

But, certainly a certain number are intentional. For some, it's probably frustration because a lot of these chargers are installed at the prime parking spots( aka close to the store, etc). So they view it was EV drivers getting a special perk that they view they shouldn't get it. In reality, it's just cheaper to install them there due to the less wire required.

But on the flip side, some EV drivers do view it as a perk so they park there, but they don't plug in. They are just as much as jerks as the ICE'ers.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

Believe the Tesla plugs on the EvGo chargers are using the old Chademo part of the charger which is slow...... Hence why they were open. Obviously still got the job done for you though.

Yeah, that's why I wanted to park at a Tesla charger. I could have taken a chance and gone into the garage where they have 16 Tesla chargers, but I figured a bird in the hand…

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

About time I hear some kind of enforcement for people ICE'ing chargers.

Some probably do it out of ignorance if not most( unaware those spots are charger-equipped).

But, certainly a certain number are intentional. For some, it's probably frustration because a lot of these chargers are installed at the prime parking spots( aka close to the store, etc). So they view it was EV drivers getting a special perk that they view they shouldn't get it. In reality, it's just cheaper to install them there due to the less wire required.

But on the flip side, some EV drivers do view it as a perk so they park there, but they don't plug in. They are just as much as jerks as the ICE'ers.

I have seen my share of "ice-holes" over time, but in this case, there were no signs explaining that people could get tickets for parking ICE cars at the chargers. The space lines are green and all the other space lines are white, but if you don’t know you don’t know. It’s one thing to say “please don’t” and another thing to say “here’s your ticket” when there is no notice that parking in the wrong space can earn you a ticket.

The charger bank where I parked was at the back of the parking lot. Zero advantage to parking there versus anywhere else in the parking lot. That’s why I was wondering if there was a diesel powered generator. It’s about as far as you can get from the stores and still be in the parking lot.

[90503]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

But on the flip side, some EV drivers do view it as a perk so they park there, but they don't plug in. They are just as much as jerks as the ICE'ers.

So, do those EVs that don't plug in get tickets as well?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by 90503

So, do those EVs that don't plug in get tickets as well?

There are EVs that don’t plug in but you will more than likely never see one in the US.

As usual, I obviously over-thought this one. You probably meant EVs that park in the spot but don’t plug their car in. I responded thinking of the Nissan ePower which is an EV(?) but it doesn’t have a plug to plug in. Sold in Japan, may be sold in Mexico, but very very unlikely to ever see the roads of the US of A.

I doubt you’ll see tickets for that because it would be easy to say “I did charge, but I’m done now so I plugged” or “I intend to charge but there wasn’t a working cord available, so I’m waiting for one”

[90503]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

There are EVs that don’t plug in but you will more than likely never see one in the US.

I guess I should have included "at an EV charging station". Otherwise, that's good news. ChevyRules must have been seeing things. Hooray USA.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by 90503

I guess I should have included "at an EV charging station". Otherwise, that's good news. ChevyRules must have been seeing things. Hooray USA.

I edited my response. I totally misunderstood what you were talking about.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I have seen my share of "ice-holes" over time, but in this case, there were no signs explaining that people could tickets for parking ICE cars at the chargers. The space lines are green and all the other space lines are white, but if you don’t know you don’t know. It’s one thing to say “please don’t” and another thing to say “here’s you ticket” when there is no notice that parking in the wrong space can earn you a ticket.

Yeah hence the ignorance being the dominant factor I think. Can't fault the driver if there was no signs indicating EV charging only, etc like handicap spots.

Originally Posted by 90503

So, do those EVs that don't plug in get tickets as well?

Absolutely they should. It's the equivalent of a gas car parking at the pump despite plenty of dedicated spots by the store to go inside and never pump gas that I see as well.

I can't speak for that location though. It's actually the first time I ever heard about any kind of enforcement action taken in regarding to chargers being ICE'd.

[90503]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

Yeah hence the ignorance being the dominant factor I think. Can't fault the driver if there was no signs indicating EV charging only, etc like handicap spots.




Absolutely they should. It's the equivalent of a gas car parking at the pump despite plenty of dedicated spots by the store to go inside and never pump gas that I see as well.

I can't speak for that location though. It's actually the first time I ever heard about any kind of enforcement action taken in regarding to chargers being ICE'd.

Honestly, that is the first I've ever heard of tickets like that as well. Ordinances by local agencies may help, but basically its an honor system. Handicapped parking is always a sore spot. PDs go on periodic sweeps of enforcement to try and stop the scofflaws.

Don't think gas stations are an equivalent, though. The owners want customers to come inside. Hard for them to tell if they are buying gas as well. I think they make more money off of the merchandise inside, than they do off of gasoline profits. Never saw anyone upset about a car at a gas pump that wasn't pumping gas. It's not a 20 minute to one hour or more situation like EV charging, and usually there are plenty of open pumps to choose from.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by 90503

Honestly, that is the first I've ever heard of tickets like that as well. Ordinances by local agencies may help, but basically its an honor system. Handicapped parking is always a sore spot. PDs go on periodic sweeps of enforcement to try and stop the scofflaws.

Don't think gas stations are an equivalent, though. The owners want customers to come inside. Hard for them to tell if they are buying gas as well. I think they make more money off of the merchandise inside, than they do off of gasoline profits. Never saw anyone upset about a car at a gas pump that wasn't pumping gas. It's not a 20 minute to one hour or more situation like EV charging, and usually there are plenty of open pumps to choose from.

A couple months ago I stopped at a gas station that is one of the more popular hangs spots on Woodward Ave. McLarens, Shelbies, Lambos, Porches, and the like tend to hang in the annex lot. They have one E85 pump. They also have a pizzeria, chicken spot and a deli inside. A yellow 5th Gen was parked at the E85 pump. I parked behind it to be next in line for E85. I waited. Three or four more cars parked behind me so I figured I’d go in and see who owned the 5th Gen and if they could move it if they were done. Car was driven by a young lady who not only wasn’t getting gas (she was getting stuff from the deli) she didn’t know what E85 was and why everybody was lining up behind her car and getting upset.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by 90503

Don't think gas stations are an equivalent, though. The owners want customers to come inside. Hard for them to tell if they are buying gas as well. I think they make more money off of the merchandise inside, than they do off of gasoline profits. Never saw anyone upset about a car at a gas pump that wasn't pumping gas. It's not a 20 minute to one hour or more situation like EV charging, and usually there are plenty of open pumps to choose from.

And the owners have parking spots for those who don't intend to pump, but want to come inside. But people still block a pump instead. It's a douche move. Just as it is to park in a charging spot with an EV, but don't plug in.

Simple.... Don't intend to pump gas? Don't park at the pump. Don't intend to charge? Don't park at the EV charging station.

[90503]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

And the owners have parking spots for those who don't intend to pump, but want to come inside. But people still block a pump instead. It's a douche move. Just as it is to park in a charging spot with an EV, but don't plug in.

Simple.... Don't intend to pump gas? Don't park at the pump. Don't intend to
charge? Don't park at the EV charging station.

All very true.

I don't think, though, that non-gas pumpers at pumps have created an issue that calls for tickets to be issued. It is primarily an EV charging station problem.

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