The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Supermans]

Very impressive run by the 5.0 I like and have driven the M3, the 1997 sedan before as one of my friends owns one. It is a nicer interior but not by much in the comfort dept. The leather is definitely f much higher quality in the M3 and you can feel it. Is it worth twice the money? I wouldn't buy it over the 5.0 quite honestly but that's just me.

[Americanmuscle11]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

How many cars with the SS's price are faster in the 1/4 and can run the Nuremburg ring at the time the SS did. HMMMMMMM??? Not very damn many.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. How many Camaro owners have had accidents due to the C pillar? Any idiot can adjust to the needs of any car. The safety issue is the driver.

One with less horsepower, torque and a SRA...runs faster in the 1/4 mile and it's cheaper. The 2011 5.0. Why do you care about the Nurburgring anyway? You can't even spell it right. If Ford cared to bring a 2011 GT with a professional race car driver to the ring I'm sure it'd make the SS look dumb. How many Camaro owners have had accident's due to the C pillar? I don't know. I do know it's a major issue as pointed out by everyone in the Automotive press who drive 1000's of cars for a living. These people who aren't biased or a Camaro fanboy. I would think an idiot shouldn't be driving in the first place. Now any person should be able to adjust to their surroundings in their car fairly easily. However a MAJOR blind spot for the sake of the design is not something your average joe will adjust to quickly if ever. You may think you have it down, just wait until a car arrives in that spot and you aren't paying attention. With out that blind spot a driver has the ability to look instantly around to see the person next to them. With the Camaro's C pillar a quick glance takes much more effort that I'm sure not everyone will take the time to do every time they drive.

[assasinator]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/06/r...s-competition/


yates is evaluating using the coyote for LMP1 competition. thats 600hp levels.

I'd be willing to bet Wilson Intake Manifolds can do something for the coyote.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by assasinator

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/06/r...s-competition/


yates is evaluating using the coyote for LMP1 competition. thats 600hp levels.

If I remember correctly the 5.0(Cammer version not Coyote) was already used in ALMS and was making 600hp.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Is that M3 slated for sale in the US? If it is a Europe-only club racer, then there will be no test. Anyway, only better for the future M3 if the Boss clobbers it, as it willl come back with more HP and a lot more torque.....

BMW said that the first examples are due to be supplied in Germany in May 2010 while according to current planning, registrations in other countries will be possible from Summer 2010.


Yep we get it here too.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by snakekiller

att that price their really not comparable

In the sense that they are both factory built, street legal, track cars I think they are comparable. Price wise it comes down to an individuals wallet.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

To be fair they were not comparable to start with.

But ~$170k car is definitely not at all comparable to a ~$40k car.

Even if you win, you lose.......

[assasinator]

they want more. the fr500 cammer series is at its limit. the new motor has more in it.

some folks will go as far as purchasing a Hogan intake to reach max power....not me. im not spending 3k. but i have seen others do that. MMR 5.4 3v spider for a 900hp TT 5.4 3v.

the fr500 intake is way down on torque for its peak power. not so with the coyote.

[eric n]

Originally Posted by tribone

What color is your Mustang by the way?

Kona blue, brembos, electronics package, comfort pack, hid, manual. I know that's more than you asked, but I've only had it for 3 weeks and I still gush.

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

You guys have a supercharger. We have a supercharger. I have no doubt that these kits are both good kits that will lead to great performance. I do, however, doubt that anyone springing for these kits will be stock. Look at the whole package.

Does a GMPP Camaro beat a Ford Racing Mustang after everything has been installed?

Let's take this even further. Does it matter? You Ford guys over here will come up with an explanation for increased power, but don't forget that your powertrain warranty is shorter than ours for good reason. The build quality of a car can be determined both by how powerful you can make it without breaking and by how long it rides at that level of performance. Testing has led to higher warranty standards at GM because the products are designed to last longer.

Of course, you won't agree. That's why you drive Mustangs. They are good cars. I can't fault you for having the good taste to buy a decent American product. I just wonder why so much emphasis is placed on spreading Mustang gospel on a clearly Camaro website. We won't be buying this kit here, so I wonder why so many of you today have chosen to advertise a kit made for our competitors.

If that's was the case Blur... explain why Toyota, and Nissian has shorter warranty's.. (and yeah I know ) but you can't knock the reliability.. 40% of toyotas in the usa have over 250,000 miles

[Coolew82]

Man all this talk about C pillars and A pillars and roof lines and who can see and who cant see and IRS is ok and SRA is refined and better than ever, starts to make me think that i made the wrong choice.......LMAO...who am i kiding im a excellent driver and can drive anything no matter what. If it has 4 wheels i can drive the hell out of it. having drivin man military vehicles and a multitude of civilian vehicles due to having a few wealthy friends. But im one of few people with experience in driving diff vehicles. For me it's what i want and not what i can drive. i will say that if you are really tall u wont like the camaro granted u wont like anything u cant fit in regardless what it is DUH.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Americanmuscle11

Most people can probably fit in the new Camaro OK with a decent amount of headroom, visibility is the issue.
Explain to me how GM will fix the Camaros blind spot problem for the 5th Gen? They won't.
Most cars have minimal blindspots as the manufacture try's to prevent this in the design from the beginning. Most cars do not have a C pillar the size of Texas. I'm glad it hasen't caused you much of a problem, the automotive press disagrees. The Camaro has a great look though it comes at the price of many compromises. Performance all the way to safety.



Matt's review was true. He just mentions what has been stated by all media before. So he likes the new 5.0? What faults does it have? It does have a better engine, better handling and better all around performance. It's quality is much better then the Camaro SS too. Ford benchmarked the M3. The 5.0 is faster then an M3 on a drag strip and handles just as good on a road course for far less cash. Did I mention it makes the Camaro SS look like a linebacker trying to run a marathon? The new Camaro Z28 will not own the new GT500. Will it be as fast as a new GT500? maybe. Quicker? possibly.
Just a heads up...Ford doesn't sit on it's hands waiting for GM to make the next move. The next generation Mustang will also be lighter and smaller overall. Probably a better car then the next Camaro too
Matt Farah is far from stupid. If one can get his own automotive review show, known website and get sponsored for all sort's of Automotive events for being stupid, sign me up.

Ill disagree with that statement. I would take an ls3 over a 5.0 any day of the week and twice on sunday.

The 2011 5.0 beat the camaro SS by .1 tenth of a second in the last road course test I read (I think it was road and track)

Guess what both cars are trapping about the same and both have run about the same 1/4 mile times.

Higher quality...ok if you say so. You got any hard data to support this?

The price is about the same. Although you get more to start with on the camaro (such as brembos and pirelli pzero tires).

We get it you want to have sex with the new mustang and you think the new camaro is a failure somehow when it is selling better than any camaro has in 30 years.

Guess what...we have seen your kind many times...I would say about 3 times a day.

[Coolew82]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Ill disagree with that statement. I would take an ls3 over a 5.0 any day of the week and twice on sunday.

The 2011 5.0 beat the camaro SS by .1 tenth of a second in the last road course test I read (I think it was road and track)

Guess what both cars are trapping about the same and both have run about the same 1/4 mile times.

Higher quality...ok if you say so. You got any hard data to support this?

The price is about the same. Although you get more to start with on the camaro (such as brembos and pirelli pzero tires).

We get it you want to have sex with the new mustang and you think the new camaro is a failure somehow when it is selling better than any camaro has in 30 years.

Guess what...we have seen your kind many times...I would say about 3 times a day.

thats how i talk to my brother because he is a hardcore Ford fan boy and no other car is better than the mustang and any car compared to it does not stand a chance especially the camaro. i dont debate with him anymore but i geta kick out of it when i say stuff like that and he laughs also. thats how i get him to shut up...LMAO

[wbt]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

Let's take this even further. Does it matter? You Ford guys over here will come up with an explanation for increased power, but don't forget that your powertrain warranty is shorter than ours for good reason. The build quality of a car can be determined both by how powerful you can make it without breaking and by how long it rides at that level of performance. Testing has led to higher warranty standards at GM because the products are designed to last longer.

I don't buy that for one second. Very subjective. GM sells their vehicles with a longer warranty for one reason, competitive advantage. It has nothing to do with durability/quality.