When Was The Last Time You Worked Out At The Gym

[GroundPilot]

Originally Posted by fig88

just lift heavy things up and put them down

LOL I like you style, and there is must truth in what you say grasshopper.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by fig88

just lift heavy things up and put them down

Originally Posted by GroundPilot

LOL I like you style, and there is must truth in what you say grasshopper.

When you get down to it, that's pretty much it. lol (lift heavy or go home)

[Sapphire]

Originally Posted by fig88

just lift heavy things up and put them down

LOL as long as you don't "flex out". I think that's what its called when guys lift heavy and put it down then they pass out

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by CFD

I'm not sure why you are being so defensive. I wasn't referring to anyone in particular especially anyone who's programs I've not read thoroughly and I'm not sure why you are so insistent that I read the programs you posted in depth either. I am very familiar with many programs outside of the classic 3-day or 4-day splits that you usually see me suggest for those getting into it as they are IMHO the best place to start. There are hundreds upon hundreds of programs that will provide great gains, there are some that require more training than the ones you mentioned, one that comes to mind would be Vince Giranda's 8 sets of 8 that train heavy 6 days a week, it's a well constructed program but it does not work the same muscle groups 2 days in a row as most don't because of the over training reason's I mentioned.

For some reason you are also trying to have me learn something I already know. I'm in no way putting down the programs or the designers of those programs but they are not for those just getting into it and not for those who are looking for fat loss as well

Defensive? LMAO...not even close....

You have done well and appear to be in good shape. I brought this up when you started talking about not training the same body part two days in a row, and it leads to overtraining and injuries, etc...Then someone chimed in and stated it as "the truth". It's not....it's actually false and wrong. So we will just chalk it up to you being one of those hard headed old dogs. Which is really too bad...you may could learn something, it could help you achieve whatever goals you want quicker. The enemy of great is good....

Now with regards to what's in red....I'd love, love for you to tell this to my girlfriend lol....

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by fig88

just lift heavy things up and put them down

Be happy to get together with you when I get to Cookeville to lift some heavy things

Originally Posted by GroundPilot

LOL I like you style, and there is must truth in what you say grasshopper.

Where are you in ATL? Where do you train?

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

Defensive? LMAO...not even close....

You have done well and appear to be in good shape. I brought this up when you started talking about not training the same body part two days in a row, and it leads to overtraining and injuries, etc...Then someone chimed in and stated it as "the truth". It's not....it's actually false and wrong. So we will just chalk it up to you being one of those hard headed old dogs. Which is really too bad...you may could learn something, it could help you achieve whatever goals you want quicker. The enemy of great is good....

Now with regards to what's in red....I'd love, love for you to tell this to my girlfriend lol....

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. First, I believe the statement I made was generally speaking you should not train more than two days in a row, no mention of body parts, I was also , as stated somewhere was referring to heavy lifting which taxes the body on more than the muscular level. Perhaps you've advanced so far as to have forgotten the basics. Even most of the programs you have cited here and there don't train more than 2-days in a row and the authors of most of the programs we've discussed also mention this in their general rules. In most programs although not specified, if you look at them they usually have some sort of split to allow time for recovery. I've never said as an absolute it should never be done, there are circumstances and programs where it is but again it's very often not recommended that it is not for beginners and should be used by those with some solid training under their belt. It is also true that some individuals can easily handle much more training than others and there are so many variables that fall into place, a big one, believe me I know is age, genetics, body composition, outside activities work schedules, crap, after leg day when I have to run up and down two flights of stairs to my parts department a zillion times a day I can easily say I don't recover as easily as someone sit's on their ass all day, working legs again too quickly can easily cause overtraining. So to say it is wrong or untrue is not justified. Again, I'm giving advice based on tried and true basics that are proven to work for the majority of people regardless of training experience. It's like if someone came into my shop and said, I've never drag raced before but I want to start, what would you recommend for a bike. I sure as hell am not going to suggest I build them a Pro Dragster or Pro Stock Harley because I did, I would start them off on something like a super modified so as he doesn't kill himself. Someone who doesn't train or hasn't in a while should not jump into advance programs or there is a good chance he/she will over train or hurt themselves. And by the way, over training is quite frequent although not necessarily evident. Often over training can sometimes be overlooked. Some poor soul is working his ass off in the gym and not making gains and wonders why, sometimes easing off will cure the problem, why, because of over training.

We can argue this all day but when it comes down to it this "old dog" still believes in the basics and always will.

We would make good training partners as it would save me a bundle on pre-workout stimulants lol. Crap, you're writings got me going enough to hit the elliptical for some HIIT on my day off just so I wouldn't boil over.

[Dznts]

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by Dznts

Are you having butter

Stay tuned....

[Dznts]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

Are you having butter

Stay tuned....

just a little. recovering from another great leg day

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by CFD

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. First, I believe the statement I made was generally speaking you should not train more than two days in a row, no mention of body parts, I was also , as stated somewhere was referring to heavy lifting which taxes the body on more than the muscular level. Perhaps you've advanced so far as to have forgotten the basics. Even most of the programs you have cited here and there don't train more than 2-days in a row and the authors of most of the programs we've discussed also mention this in their general rules. In most programs although not specified, if you look at them they usually have some sort of split to allow time for recovery. I've never said as an absolute it should never be done, there are circumstances and programs where it is but again it's very often not recommended that it is not for beginners and should be used by those with some solid training under their belt. It is also true that some individuals can easily handle much more training than others and there are so many variables that fall into place, a big one, believe me I know is age, genetics, body composition, outside activities work schedules, crap, after leg day when I have to run up and down two flights of stairs to my parts department a zillion times a day I can easily say I don't recover as easily as someone sit's on their ass all day, working legs again too quickly can easily cause overtraining. So to say it is wrong or untrue is not justified. Again, I'm giving advice based on tried and true basics that are proven to work for the majority of people regardless of training experience. It's like if someone came into my shop and said, I've never drag raced before but I want to start, what would you recommend for a bike. I sure as hell am not going to suggest I build them a Pro Dragster or Pro Stock Harley because I did, I would start them off on something like a super modified so as he doesn't kill himself. Someone who doesn't train or hasn't in a while should not jump into advance programs or there is a good chance he/she will over train or hurt themselves. And by the way, over training is quite frequent although not necessarily evident. Often over training can sometimes be overlooked. Some poor soul is working his ass off in the gym and not making gains and wonders why, sometimes easing off will cure the problem, why, because of over training.

We can argue this all day but when it comes down to it this "old dog" still believes in the basics and always will.

We would make good training partners as it would save me a bundle on pre-workout stimulants lol. Crap, you're writings got me going enough to hit the elliptical for some HIIT on my day off just so I wouldn't boil over.

UGH...I could strangle you lol. Another dissertation...for once I will write one.

It is untrue and I will expand....

Of course I believe in the basic principles and they are incorporated in training methods OF TODAY. The WB training methods are based a lot on Poliquins percentages. You keep using cars/bikes as analogies but your reasoning is flawed. Would you say cars/bikes are faster today as opposed to 30 years ago? Of course they are. Are the basics the same? Of course they are. But there has been a lot of advancement in making a car/bike faster today. Training is no different. You can make a car faster, quicker and easier today if you have the knowledge and money. You can also get bigger, stronger, faster, lose more fat, get in better shape if you apply a more advanced way of training and have the desire to do so.

Along those lines...the "basics" of a car...body, engine, trans, rear, brakes, steering, interior, a certain amount of safety equipment. The basics of training....for simple purposes let's say lift weights and do cardio. Now you can add big wheels, leather, etc to make the car "better"...you can employ training techniques of today (extra workouts, bands, chains, etc) to make your workouts "better".

Using your bike analogy....sure you can start him on a pro-stock bike if it is de-tuned. The bike itself stays the same but you taper it back to meet the level of the rider whether it be a "newbie". someone that rides a street bike, someone who is the class above pro-stock, or someone who is a pro-stock rider (this will represent the level of fitness currently at). Training is no different. Training is based on percentages and amount of weight....and today's training method's are more advanced but can be regulated adjusting the amount of weight accordingly and it works for everyone from a beginner to a professional athlete. That's why someone like Dave Hoff can come to WB at 14...squat 800 as a 16 year old and be the youngest person (at 19 years old) to squat 1000. But it doesn't just apply to "strong" people...it applies to baseball players, basketball players, olympic athletes, etc. The results in these sports are being produced at a younger age because of TODAY's TRAINING METHODS.

I will paypal $10 if you will just take 15 mins out of your day and read the articles I posted. And if you find some value and would like to read more I would encourage you to click on the link below.

http://www.westside-barbell.com/inde...-louie-simmons

There are 12 years worth of articles and you will see how training has evolved just in those 12 years much less going back to the 70's.

And have no fear...I see you are in Mass. My girlfriends family lives in Boston and we will be going there sometime (ugh). When we do I promise we will go to the gym and have a good time

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by Dznts

just a little. recovering from another great leg day

Bench night for me Squats tomorrow

[Dznts]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

Bench night for me Squats tomorrow

Hell yah. My chest day was yesterday.

[Sapphire]

went to the gym today too. though unlike you guys I like to work out everything. legs, arms and core.... then again I don't really want to build a large amount of muscle mass. oh and I have a question. I've asked around but I want to see what feed back I get from you guys. what exercise would help me burn the fat in the inner thigh? I can hit the upper muscle thigh and the muscle behind but the inner part... I just don't know what to do and its a problem area for me.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

UGH...I could strangle you lol. Another dissertation...for once I will write one.

It is untrue and I will expand....

Of course I believe in the basic principles and they are incorporated in training methods OF TODAY. The WB training methods are based a lot on Poliquins percentages. You keep using cars/bikes as analogies but your reasoning is flawed. Would you say cars/bikes are faster today as opposed to 30 years ago? Of course they are. Are the basics the same? Of course they are. But there has been a lot of advancement in making a car/bike faster today. Training is no different. You can make a car faster, quicker and easier today if you have the knowledge and money. You can also get bigger, stronger, faster, lose more fat, get in better shape if you apply a more advanced way of training and have the desire to do so.

Along those lines...the "basics" of a car...body, engine, trans, rear, brakes, steering, interior, a certain amount of safety equipment. The basics of training....for simple purposes let's say lift weights and do cardio. Now you can add big wheels, leather, etc to make the car "better"...you can employ training techniques of today (extra workouts, bands, chains, etc) to make your workouts "better".

Using your bike analogy....sure you can start him on a pro-stock bike if it is de-tuned. The bike itself stays the same but you taper it back to meet the level of the rider whether it be a "newbie". someone that rides a street bike, someone who is the class above pro-stock, or someone who is a pro-stock rider (this will represent the level of fitness currently at). Training is no different. Training is based on percentages and amount of weight....and today's training method's are more advanced but can be regulated adjusting the amount of weight accordingly and it works for everyone from a beginner to a professional athlete. That's why someone like Dave Hoff can come to WB at 14...squat 800 as a 16 year old and be the youngest person (at 19 years old) to squat 1000. But it doesn't just apply to "strong" people...it applies to baseball players, basketball players, olympic athletes, etc. The results in these sports are being produced at a younger age because of TODAY's TRAINING METHODS.

I will paypal $10 if you will just take 15 mins out of your day and read the articles I posted. And if you find some value and would like to read more I would encourage you to click on the link below.

http://www.westside-barbell.com/inde...-louie-simmons

There are 12 years worth of articles and you will see how training has evolved just in those 12 years much less going back to the 70's.

And have no fear...I see you are in Mass. My girlfriends family lives in Boston and we will be going there sometime (ugh). When we do I promise we will go to the gym and have a good time

I'm not arguing that advanced techniques don't work or that they have no merit. I am saying you start with the basics, once you have some training and learn proper lifting techniques and form then go from there. Even in the links you posted they recommend having solid training under your belt before attempting them.

I have about a dozen programs I have read through and saved as at some point I plan to utilize them.(they are current lol) Any program is only good until you adapt to it then move on to something new, some programs you will use more frequently but best gains are made when various methods are used. In the event that I'm still capable of lifting when I complete my stockpile of programs perhaps I will thoroughly read the ones you reference and maybe try them as they look to be solid programs.

By the way, the early days produced some legends using what you consider "antiquated techniques"