The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[tlc9193]

Originally Posted by BaylorAirForce

Do they have it online? I don't have the Speed channel... :(

Search youtube, it is posted into 4 segments.

[REEFBLUE93]

I was discussing this Camaro vs Mustang vs Challenger topic with a friend of mine last week. I think we're going to see a stalemate develop, in terms of HP, between these three very soon. If not, we will be seeing production cars that produce well in excess of 550 crank hp. You know all of the aftermarket performance companies are salivating at this point though....

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

I was discussing this Camaro vs Mustang vs Challenger topic with a friend of mine last week. I think we're going to see a stalemate develop, in terms of HP, between these three very soon. If not, we will be seeing production cars that produce well in excess of 550 crank hp. You know all of the aftermarket performance companies are salivating at this point though....

Pretty close I think. If the Challenger gets a Supercharger on the 6.4 you could see it at 575-600 HP (the N/A 6.4 is rumored to be 475-485 HP).

Add in the Z28 and GT500 at roughly the same HP rating. I think its going to be a very big problem then. Mostly because they'll need to start finding solutions for the very big problem of being unable to handle that much HP at the wheels without very expensive suspension and tires.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Pretty close I think. If the Challenger gets a Supercharger on the 6.4 you could see it at 575-600 HP (the N/A 6.4 is rumored to be 475-485 HP).

Add in the Z28 and GT500 at roughly the same HP rating. I think its going to be a very big problem then. Mostly because they'll need to start finding solutions for the very big problem of being unable to handle that much HP at the wheels without very expensive suspension and tires.

Exactly man, it kinda goes along with that old saying in the workplace about crap rolling downhill. In the case of crank hp, it rolls towards the tires. I've heard quite a few people mention having issues with the clutches in the 2011 Mustang GT. If it is a design flaw or an issue with managing power, I'm quite certain Ford will address it. Very good point about having to beef up the rest of the components so as to be able to transfer that power.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

Exactly man, it kinda goes along with that old saying in the workplace about crap rolling downhill. In the case of crank hp, it rolls towards the tires. I've heard quite a few people mention having issues with the clutches in the 2011 Mustang GT. If it is a design flaw or an issue with managing power, I'm quite certain Ford will address it. Very good point about having to beef up the rest of the components so as to be able to transfer that power.

from my understanding, the people with the "clutch problems" are all running sticky tires. The car makes decent power and still weighs a lot (3600lbs+). Stock clutch, good power and the weight all take a toll. Even the super expensive nissan GTR has had driveline problems at the stock level.

Im sure we'd see more problems than reported with the Camaro if the IRS would allow them to get the same violent launches the SRA allows the Mustang.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

from my understanding, the people with the "clutch problems" are all running sticky tires. The car makes decent power and still weighs a lot (3600lbs+). Stock clutch, good power and the weight all take a toll. Even the super expensive nissan GTR has had driveline problems at the stock level.

Im sure we'd see more problems than reported with the Camaro if the IRS would allow them to get the same violent launches the SRA allows the Mustang.

No doubt.

The front end on the 2010 LS3 and L99 Camaro's I have driven never, ever raised as high or as quickly as the 2011 5.0 Auto and stick I drove.

Was it there? sure..is there on my Challenger too. Does the front end get light on WOT like on the Mustang? hell no

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

from my understanding, the people with the "clutch problems" are all running sticky tires. The car makes decent power and still weighs a lot (3600lbs+). Stock clutch, good power and the weight all take a toll. Even the super expensive nissan GTR has had driveline problems at the stock level.

Im sure we'd see more problems than reported with the Camaro if the IRS would allow them to get the same violent launches the SRA allows the Mustang.

Oh for sure that's going to toast a clutch when running 400+hp through it. There have been a few that claimed to have been running the stock tires that came with the car. Whether or not that's them saying that to save face, I don't know. There's also the well known fact that anything can be broken if beat on and abused enough. I was just stating what I've heard though.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

Oh for sure that's going to toast a clutch when running 400+hp through it. There have been a few that claimed to have been running the stock tires that came with the car. Whether or not that's them saying that to save face, I don't know. There's also the well known fact that anything can be broken if beat on and abused enough. I was just stating what I've heard though.

Or stories of them launching at 4000 RPM+

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Or stories of them launching at 4000 RPM+

Yep, that will do it as well. I've just read more than a few stories about guys roasting clutches. Of course they are quick to point out that they "get on it from time to time but nothing outside the ordinary". I don't know of too many people with even an oz of common sense that would tell everyone about an issue with their new car and openly admit to doing what you said LOL. It's more than likely people venting due to the fact that they messed their new car up. Our mechanic has a specific catagory for people like that, he calls it ESTO. Equipment Smarter Than Operator

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

Yep, that will do it as well. I've just read more than a few stories about guys roasting clutches. Of course they are quick to point out that they "get on it from time to time but nothing outside the ordinary". I don't know of too many people with even an oz of common sense that would tell everyone about an issue with their new car and openly admit to doing what you said LOL. It's more than likely people venting due to the fact that they messed their new car up. Our mechanic has a specific catagory for people like that, he calls it ESTO. Equipment Smarter Than Operator

Or the ones who blow up a motor because of "just a few minor bolt ons" but forget to mention it was right after a 200 shot of N20

[Tallboy]

Originally Posted by zero

yes but mags give a baseline on cars performance, as much as they get ragged on the times posted in the car mags.. alot of guys go to the track and post worse times then they do. We all know certain people and certain tracks will yield better times however .. the times posted in the mags are truely stock cars and not custom tuned, cai etc. like some on the internet forums claiming stock runs.and dont even go there on DA corrected times, you will soon have your challenger times in the 10`s

Looking carefully at his timeslip, I doubt it's for his car. It's a full .4 faster than most magazines, at the same MPH. Just doesn't add up.

I see SRTs at the track here in Bradenton, none of 'em run quicker than low 13s.

He seems to think his 5.7 Challenger will run 13 flat at sea level.

No way in hell.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by Tallboy

Looking carefully at his timeslip, I doubt it's for his car. It's a full .4 faster than most magazines, at the same MPH. Just doesn't add up.

I see SRTs at the track here in Bradenton, none of 'em run quicker than low 13s.

He seems to think his 5.7 Challenger will run 13 flat at sea level.

No way in hell.

It is for my car. The "489" on the top is the first three numbers of my plate "489" which is followed by EJN. In fact you can see the plate in my avatar picture of my car.



And a recent picture of my engine bay:



If necessary I will go and take pictures with a card that says "For Camaro5.com Forums on (insert date here)" in every picture and prove my car is stock except for the K&N CAI. Exhaust, tires, exhaust manifold, throttle body, everything. I will also show the tires that have been worn down from trips down the 1320 and every day use.

I can also post a video of my car running a 13.47 in 1900+ foot DA too if that helps. I cant right now beacause I am at work and Youtube and Photobucket is blocked.

And I used the dragtimes DA calculator and converter to ESTIMATE what the run would be at sea level. It has never run below 1500 feet in its entire life.

[Tallboy]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

It is for my car. The "489" on the top is the first three numbers of my plate "489" which is followed by EJN. In fact you can see the plate in my avatar picture of my car.



And a recent picture of my engine bay:



If necessary I will go and take pictures with a card that says "For Camaro5.com Forums on (insert date here)" in every picture and prove my car is stock except for the K&N CAI. Exhaust, tires, exhaust manifold, throttle body, everything. I will also show the tires that have been worn down from trips down the 1320 and every day use.

I can also post a video of my car running a 13.47 in 1900+ foot DA too if that helps. I cant right now beacause I am at work and Youtube and Photobucket is blocked.

And I used the dragtimes DA calculator and converter to ESTIMATE what the run would be at sea level. It has never run below 1500 feet in its entire life.

Then you have one hell of a factory freak on your hands. My local strip is at sea level. I've seen two 5.7 Challengers run repeatedly. The fastest run I saw either pull was 13.7@102. My Marauder was [I just sold it] running 11 PSI on the Eaton, about 480 HP at the crank. Race weight with me in it was 4444 lbs. That car would run 12.9 all day long, any SRT I ever lined up against was low 13s at best.

That your 5.7 runs 13.2 makes no sense.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by Tallboy

Then you have one hell of a factory freak on your hands. My local strip is at sea level. I've seen two 5.7 Challengers run repeatedly. The fastest run I saw either pull was 13.7@102. My Marauder was [I just sold it] running 11 PSI on the Eaton, about 480 HP at the crank. Race weight with me in it was 4444 lbs. That car would run 12.9 all day long, any SRT I ever lined up against was low 13s at best.

That your 5.7 runs 13.2 makes no sense.

Southern Oregon Dragway, White City Oregon. 1,410 feet ASL.

Thats the track it was run at, as can be confirmed from the time slip.

My slowest run has been 13.6 in 2300 foot DA, I average 13.3's and 4's in 1900 foot DA.