Mustang almost revealed

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

the FORD GT is a true EXOTIC SPORTS CAR makes the ZR1 look weak sorry , it is MID ENGINE and has lots of HERITAGE and AWESOME STYLING ,there is talk of a MID ENGINE VETTE IN THE NEXT GEN THAT WOULD BE SWEET, I know the ZR1 is a bit quicker but it is also a MUCH NEWER car hence more HP maybe they will bring the FORD GT back with more HP though some modified GTs are pushing 1000+ hp I just love the look of those beauties there is a few in my city , IMO it is great to have the MARO , CHALLY back in production to compete with the STANG so it should be very interesting in the future I am really looking forward to the 5.0 STANG although I think the SS is sweet too I just cant make up my mind on what to buy next ,and the CHALLY well let's put it this way OBESE not for me sorry lol nice styling though... I'm hoping the 5.0 will be released in the 2010 model year... ONLY 7 DAYS TO GO for the new GT reveal can't wait here is the LINK
http://www.fordvehicles.com/the2010mustang/

lol give me a break...

next thing you know you are going to say it makes the viper acr look weak...

looks are personal preference....and you can modify any car to 1000 hp with the right amount of money...so your point is bad IMO...

I agree with you that it is great that all 3 are back...and hopfully their companies are here to stay..

[MCPOAJ]

Originally Posted by Georgie

if its a new gen dohc 4v then you can make the power from a lighter engine. don't count on 3900 lbs or anything close to that; it won't need the displacement in the 0-60 or even the quarter; after that the LS3 will pull because of the extra liter but don't think the mustang will fall behind if the DOHC 4V puts out 400 and some change, its just wishful thinking to think otherwise

ok so just because you put a DOHC on something makes it better? i'm lost cause last time i checked it was Z06>GT500

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Georgie

...its just wishful thinking to think otherwise

Same could be said of a less-than-3400# 400hp Mustang that stays in the same price bracket while meeting safety standards and providing any sort of structural integrity....

[nester7929]

You can say all you want about the Mustang not being able to keep up with the Camaro, but an '07 GT500 will still outrun a Challenger SRT-8 and most likely the Camaro SS as well.

We're comparing cars that are, at most, five years apart. That's a lot of technology. Wait until the specs of the 2011 Mustang are released before we start bench racing.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by nester7929

You can say all you want about the Mustang not being able to keep up with the Camaro, but an '07 GT500 will still outrun a Challenger SRT-8 and most likely the Camaro SS as well.

We're comparing cars that are, at most, five years apart. That's a lot of technology. Wait until the specs of the 2011 Mustang are released before we start bench racing.

I still go with chevy and dodge because they did it right by going NA and not just slapping a supercharger on....

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I also want to add that we appreciate the Mustang's success here at Camaro5. If that retro car had not been successful, our car would not return. The issue is that the Mustang is not the market master anymore. The Challenger has delivered some serious bitch-slappage to the Mustang, and the Camaro will continue that trend. Until Ford releases something new, it will be the same Mustang. Comparing a 2009 Mustang with a 2005 Mustang is like comparing the Camaro Concept with the Camaro SS. They are the same basic car. There are small changes, and even the engine is different (LS2, LS3), but the performance is fundamentally the same, and they are both pretty sweet. A lot of you GT guys are getting mad that your territory is being dominated by other cars. We're not sorry. For Ford to compete in the marketplace, it has to compete, and that means improving old products to match or beat the competition. Sadly, Ford doesn't seem to prioritize the Mustang's performance on the same level that Dodge has prioritized the Challenger or Chevrolet has prioritized the Camaro.

I would think you argument would be better if you had not included the Challenger. Shoehorning a years old Charger/300 fatass platform under a sexy coupe body doesn't say to me that Dodge has "prioritized" performance,it says to me it half-assed shat out a pony car with a glandular problem,it IS pretty though,and fast,but no competition for a Mustang. My god,they barely changed the interior,could Dodge have done less as possible?
I think the '05-09 Mustang GT and later GT500/GT500KR and Bullitt speak for themselves as to how Ford has "prioritized" performance. These are cars released in basically a vacuum,Ford didn't even have to do anything special once the F-body went away,and yet,we still have a 540HP Mustang,wait until the '10 GT and GT500 is unveiled before you give up on Ford. The Camaro has it on paper,but as the last F-body proved,being a superior car doesn't automatically earn you sales,these aren't 215HP GT's anymore,a guy couldn't go wrong choosing either a Camaro or Mustang these days.
But the Challenger as competitonthat thing has been left for dead,i give it 2 more years,it's a pretty car for being a fatass though.

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

I still go with chevy and dodge because they did it right by going NA and not just slapping a supercharger on....

I bet those ZR1 guys feel bad for cheating.............give it up,power is power,your argument is lame.................and where's your Challenger? These things are filling up the car lots,shouldn't you have yours by now?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

I bet those ZR1 guys feel bad for cheating.............give it up,power is power,your argument is lame.................

The Z06 defends against any supercharger "attacks" coming from the peanut gallery. They know how to do it right. The blower was just required to go above and beyond what is realistically achieveable.

[MCPOAJ]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The Z06 defends against any supercharger "attacks" coming from the peanut gallery. They know how to do it right. The blower was just required to go above and beyond what is realistically achieveable.

X2 cause if you look at the DOHC Supercharged GT500 vs a pushrod V8 LS7 and the ls7 makes better power... i remember reading an article of the gt500 vs mr.Z06 and the GT500 kept overheating and couldn't hang with the Z06

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by nester7929

You can say all you want about the Mustang not being able to keep up with the Camaro, but an '07 GT500 will still outrun a Challenger SRT-8 and most likely the Camaro SS as well.
We're comparing cars that are, at most, five years apart. That's a lot of technology. Wait until the specs of the 2011 Mustang are released before we start bench racing.

The difference being that the GT500 and the SRT-8 are in the same price range. The Camaro is 10k cheaper than both, and is comparable in performance. Not saying faster (except against the SRT-8) but comparable.

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

I bet those ZR1 guys feel bad for cheating.............give it up,power is power,your argument is lame.................and where's your Challenger? These things are filling up the car lots,shouldn't you have yours by now?

and i bet shelby cries at night for all the money he steals on the gt500kr for doing a pulley swap and few suspension upgrads and charging 20,000+ for it.

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

The difference being that the GT500 and the SRT-8 are in the same price range. The Camaro is 10k cheaper than both, and is comparable in performance. Not saying faster (except against the SRT-8) but comparable.

I agree 100%. The GT500 has the Shelby connection and that 500HP mystique,but the SS should flat-out embarass the Dodge all around,performance-looks-handling-it's actually the size of a regular car,i don't see how they even sell these things now.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

I bet those ZR1 guys feel bad for cheating.............give it up,power is power,your argument is lame.................and where's your Challenger? These things are filling up the car lots,shouldn't you have yours by now?

If you knew anything about dodge you would know there is a hold on all 2009 srt8s...I am about to cancel my order and grab one off the lots...because dodge did it wrong giving dealers the cars first. BTW as much as I hate the LX platform...it owns the gt by any means....thesrt8 beats the gt but then you will use your repetitive excuse of "oh no the rt is the gts competition"...well guess what the RT runs>?? 13.1 in the quarter mile....and there are timeslips to back it up. Oh and top end...well ...let's not even go there.

The fact is the mustang is old , needs an update(not the crappy one they are giving it in 7 days) needs IRS and 400+hp to keep up....and the looks need a major change too IMO. So take yourself and Ford , sit down and find a way to compete with dodge and chevy in the NA performance market..

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by headpunter

and i bet shelby cries at night for all the money he steals on the gt500kr for doing a pulley swap and few suspension upgrads and charging 20,000+ for it.

Try 40K+ on the stickerBut people are paying that plus a markup,pretty stupid to pay 100K for a Mustang,that's Porsche 911 money.............the queenmother of all things holy,i'd be damned to buy a Mustang over one of those.