Nissan Z compared to Camaro SS

[timesublime]

The Z will destroy the SS at altitude. IE Denver.

[Puddin]

Originally Posted by 1LEornothing

Hate to burst you bubble, but an SS with a bolt on blower is not too far away from a ZL1. Your "big brother" BS doesn't apply here with the vast differences between a 400Z and a GTR. The all wheel drive non existent on any other model spoken about is sure to be an enormous advantage for the $100K+ super car you deemed was a worthy comparison. Sorry, you failed, you can damn near clone an ZL1 with an SS. Please explain to us how YOU can clone a GTR with a 400 Z.

Well let's see the fastest GTR is actually rwd. 6:51 @230 so awd is not needed. These cars were also at one point the same price as the Zl1 when they came out. You can blame all the youtubers for driving up said price and actually building a car that people care to see unlike ours. Sure you can "fake" a Zl1 but in order to do so you'll have to gather the fuel system then crack the motor and lower compression then slap on the tiny 1.7L blower. The Vr30 is the next evolution of motors for their sports cars and shares similarities with the VR38 so no I don't fail. If they continue the GTR my money is they bore and stroke the Vr30 and throw it in that way they can avoid development costs of a new motor. Hate to burst your bubble but again just bolted on blower SS cars get drug by the ZL1. You keep touting the just bolting on a blower rhetoric but in actuality it's more than that or your just wasting your time boosting an SS.

[Puddin]

Originally Posted by 1LEornothing

If you dropped $15K on an SS and only got 500-550rwhp, you got shafted. $15K can get you a 2650 blower kit, catless headers, toohighpsi's complete port injection system, and a set of drop in pistons and rods. Sure, you have to turn some wrenches yourself, but we have members here making 900-1000rwhp on their SS with similar set ups.
Hell, I will be looking at 650rwhp+ with a smaller blower kit, 2nd hand LT4 fuel system, flex fuel sensor, cat deletes and a tune. Under $7K all in. Between the new LT1 and all my mods tuned, my total cost to 650rwhp on a new car will be under $40K. Good luck finding a 400Z under $40K when they launch. The cheapest ones are in the mid $40K and come equipped with an open differential one-tire-fire from the factory. You will need to step up to a mid or premium trim to get a 400Z with a factory equipped limited slip differential. Those will be in the $50K+ range for sure.

Literally 15k before taxes. https://www.jdpmotorsports.com/colle...-jdp-6sssc-700
Even an Na package is almost 15k and that's not including the rotating assembly. https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...en-camaro.html
Also coming up on that 15k mark at only 580whp.https://jannettyracing.com/products/...2018-camaro-ss

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by timesublime

The Z will destroy the SS at altitude. IE Denver.

Thankfully, the 90+% of the drivable roads in the U.S. are near sea level where that does not apply.

Originally Posted by Puddin

Well let's see the fastest GTR is actually rwd. 6:51 @230 so awd is not needed. These cars were also at one point the same price as the Zl1 when they came out. You can blame all the youtubers for driving up said price and actually building a car that people care to see unlike ours. Sure you can "fake" a Zl1 but in order to do so you'll have to gather the fuel system then crack the motor and lower compression then slap on the tiny 1.7L blower. The Vr30 is the next evolution of motors for their sports cars and shares similarities with the VR38 so no I don't fail. If they continue the GTR my money is they bore and stroke the Vr30 and throw it in that way they can avoid development costs of a new motor. Hate to burst your bubble but again just bolted on blower SS cars get drug by the ZL1. You keep touting the just bolting on a blower rhetoric but in actuality it's more than that or your just wasting your time boosting an SS.

Again, you are assuming an oem LT4 blower on an LT1 with 93 octane and absolutely no timing, sure, like that you will walked. If you do things a little different and smarter with: a better blower, upgraded fuel system,, better intercooler, more octane, and more timing, THE RIGHT WAY, then you have a formidable and significantly less costly new LT1 that will walk any comparative investment on the 400Z platform. Dollar for dollar, the LT1 will be faster both stock and modded when an equal amount of money is put into each car. The 400z will shine in that a minimal investment of FBO+tune will have them running impressive times walking stock LT1s.

[timesublime]

Applies heavily here. Three hundred mile radius of 4000+ altitude.

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by Puddin

Literally 15k before taxes. https://www.jdpmotorsports.com/colle...-jdp-6sssc-700
Even an Na package is almost 15k and that's not including the rotating assembly. https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...en-camaro.html
Also coming up on that 15k mark at only 580whp.https://jannettyracing.com/products/...2018-camaro-ss

Wow, yeah, let's just quote out the most expensive packages available from the most expensive shops. God forbid someone was able and capable of installing a blower, fuel system, and headers themselves. Hunt sales and actually make the expense more reasonable. But please, continue your obtuse logic.

[Puddin]

Originally Posted by 1LEornothing

Wow, yeah, let's just quote out the most expensive packages available from the most expensive shops. God forbid someone was able and capable of installing a blower, fuel system, and headers themselves. Hunt sales and actually make the expense more reasonable. But please, continue your obtuse logic.

I literally just picked vendors from this site sorry you hate facts. The only reason yours was cheap is because a once a year sale. What about the rest of the year? Most people choose to have someone else do the work and that's also a fact. I could've continued with other shops packages but that would've been a very long post. Most don't even sell just blower packages because it's a waste of time without shelling more money out for a fuel system. Oh and let's see wasn't the general consensus around 650 is right around the pistons start to go so your 15k gets you a blower port plates yada yada is complete bs.

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by Puddin

I literally just picked vendors from this site sorry you hate facts. The only reason yours was cheap is because a once a year sale. What about the rest of the year? Most people choose to have someone else do the work and that's also a fact. I could've continued with other shops packages but that would've been a very long post. Most don't even sell just blower packages because it's a waste of time without shelling more money out for a fuel system. Oh and let's see wasn't the general consensus around 650 is right around the pistons start to go so your 15k gets you a blower port plates yada yada is complete bs.

Clearly, strategic parts purchases and physical mechanical labor are not feasible from your end, so therefore the concept that it can be done for so much less is something you just can't wrap your head around. Hope you (*tRaDe uP*) for an almighty new 400Z

[taylorforschool@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

Like to know where he gets his loaf bread.

[Puddin]

Originally Posted by 1LEornothing

Clearly, strategic parts purchases and physical mechanical labor are not feasible from your end, so therefore the concept that it can be done for so much less is something you just can't wrap your head around. Hope you (*tRaDe uP*) for an almighty new 400Z

Why trade up my car now is paid for I can just buy the Z when it comes out and park the Camaro. The same logic you want to keep ranting on about can be done for the Z so again where's your advantage? Those that actually work on their stuff are the minority which is why these packages exist and these companies are better qualified than the shade tree mechanic who's got a "$4900" blower. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for your car on here when your piston rings decide to become one and you're looking at another 15k.

[102SS]

Not my cup of tea but I am sure a lot of people will be very happy to buy one.

[arpad_m]

These are very different cars catering to very differrent tastes, so a comparison, while interesting, is also moot. No reason to argue which would be "better" after modding and how cheaply one can be made to "surpass" the other either, once we stop comparing stock to stock, all bets are off anyway, if only because there is little to no verifiability.

I for one don't care for this Nissan Z, having seen a few 350Zs and 370Zs from outside and inside. It just doesn't do it for me, but I can totally relate to someone loving it for what it is.

[0stones0]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

These are very different cars catering to very differrent tastes, so a comparison, while interesting, is also moot. No reason to argue which would be "better" after modding and how cheaply one can be made to "surpass" the other either, once we stop comparing stock to stock, all bets are off anyway, if only because there is little to no verifiability.

I for one don't care for this Nissan Z, having seen a few 350Zs and 370Zs from outside and inside. It just doesn't do it for me, but I can totally relate to someone loving it for what it is.

+1
Excellent response!

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by Puddin

Why trade up my car now is paid for I can just buy the Z when it comes out and park the Camaro. The same logic you want to keep ranting on about can be done for the Z so again where's your advantage? Those that actually work on their stuff are the minority which is why these packages exist and these companies are better qualified than the shade tree mechanic who's got a "$4900" blower. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for your car on here when your piston rings decide to become one and you're looking at another 15k.

Thanks bud, hold on tight to that laughing emoji and "I told you so" post. I'm sure you will need it really soon. I'll be sure to post a video when I get to run a 400Z in Mexico. There will definitely be a unique message on it personally addressed to you.