2016 Focus RS msrp $35,730 +dest

[Curr]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

I can clearly see that you don't know about that.. The STi awd is hands down better.

Can you prove this with facts and figures or just regurgitating what you read on the internet / saw on some Youtube video?

On another forum I frequent we get this a lot in the Auto section. Here is what a master mechanic of 40-something years (he's worked for everyone from Ferrari to GM; and now works for Gary Bobileff) had to say about it:

"Does Subaru's AWD system work well? Yes.

Does it work off of ****ing unicorn tears? No.

Does it have any magic hardware that makes it work better than everyone else? Nope

Does it do anything different than the majority of AWD systems out there? Nope

I have two Subaru's and a range rover. the only difference in the AWD/Fulltime 4WD systems between them is the Rover has a Low Range in its gearbox. otherwise, its all the same stuff, packaged differently, but working the same way in all three applications."

To the OP: I see the Focus RS as a homegrown alternative to the STi / WRX / EVO crowd. To some people that's important. It's a step up from the Focus ST, and I think that's just great for everyone. If it's better than the imports, even better as it's like the Camaro/Mustang/Challenger rivalry, they all force each other to get better... in the end, the consumer wins!

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Curr

Can you prove this with facts and figures or just regurgitating what you read on the internet / saw on some Youtube video?

On another forum I frequent we get this a lot in the Auto section. Here is what a master mechanic of 40-something years (he's worked for everyone from Ferrari to GM; and now works for Gary Bobileff) had to say about it:

"Does Subaru's AWD system work well? Yes.

Does it work off of ****ing unicorn tears? No.

Does it have any magic hardware that makes it work better than everyone else? Nope

Does it do anything different than the majority of AWD systems out there? Nope

I have two Subaru's and a range rover. the only difference in the AWD/Fulltime 4WD systems between them is the Rover has a Low Range in its gearbox. otherwise, its all the same stuff, packaged differently, but working the same way in all three applications."

To the OP: I see the Focus RS as a homegrown alternative to the STi / WRX / EVO crowd. To some people that's important. It's a step up from the Focus ST, and I think that's just great for everyone. If it's better than the imports, even better as it's like the Camaro/Mustang/Challenger rivalry, they all force each other to get better... in the end, the consumer wins!

You do realize that Subaru has multiple AWD systems, right? Maybe you don't and it doesn't seem like this guy either. To say the hardware is the same across the lineup is idiotic.

I wonder how that missing center differential and front open differential are on the Focus once you hit more than a couple inches of snow.

I'm sorry I'm not buying into Ford's advertising like some of you. I applaud them for coming out with performance cars spanning all kinds of ranges lately, but they do more talking than they should especially when the cars end up being tested worse than the competition.

Well, my Legacy has been sold. Time to replace it with something mainly for winter duty.

[ChefBorOzzy]

BTW,I Idon't care too much for the awd that is on the Legacy I owned. It's another cookie cutter for the mainstream and to keep mpg high. It worked fine as most awd systems will for majority of people, but they're not all the same.

[thebiglubinsky]

That little hatch is bad as$. I got the beat the snot out of an ST model for free at Candlestick Park cone track a few years ago. It's allot of fun to drive.

[Curr]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

I can clearly see that you don't know about that.. The STi awd is hands down better.

Originally Posted by Curr

Can you prove this with facts and figures or just regurgitating what you read on the internet / saw on some Youtube video?

So I'll take the above reply as a "no".

(Also, suggested reading.)

And I'm sure you know more about AWD systems than some guy hired by Gary B to fix / restore rare Ferrari's and Lambo's.

Good luck.

[fastball]

The Focus ST is a bad mother trucker for a hatch back. I'd love to drive one, especially in bad weather or off road. But I just don't think I could live with it on a daily basis. It's econo-hatch roots are still evident in the dashboard design. And in normal traffic or cruising the freeway with the cruise on at 65 just seems like there would be a lot of annoying drone from the tires or engine.

All I can think about when I look at it is when the WRC rally races are on TV, and the camera is in the car with the driver and navigator, and all you hear is "reeee reeee reeeee reeee reeee reeee reee reeee"

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Curr

So I'll take the above reply as a "no".

(Also, suggested reading.)

And I'm sure you know more about AWD systems than some guy hired by Gary B to fix / restore rare Ferrari's and Lambo's.

Good luck.

Hardware rules. I already pointed it out to you in my post, but you didn't quote it. Continue being a smart ass.

Sorry, don't know who this guy is and don't care. From your little excerpt, he seems to think that the hardware all works the same.. Cool story, bro.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

K03 turbo? Isn't that the same turbo in the GTI's? I thought it cap'd out at like 12-14 lbs of boost. I could be way off. Thought the VW GTI's needed a K04 to push boost to 20lbs.

I should brush up on my vw reading. I stopped with a tune. Can't get traction with 1 driven wheel as is.

I pulled 17-18lbs steady in my K03 TSI with APR tune and intake. K03s have a HP limit around 350. Might have been what you were thinking about.

[mt3130]

It seems like a pretty cook car, but I would never pay $36k for it. Everyone keeps saying it will be faster than a V6 Camaro (which it probably will be), but the starting price is $300 higher than a 1SS, which it will not be faster than from the factory.

A Mustang GT can be had for less money than this car. I think it's cool, but value just isn't there to me. On the other hand, I imagine the secondary market for this car will be unbelievable, along the lines of an Evo.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by mt3130

It seems like a pretty cook car, but I would never pay $36k for it. Everyone keeps saying it will be faster than a V6 Camaro (which it probably will be), but the starting price is $300 higher than a 1SS, which it will not be faster than from the factory.

A Mustang GT can be had for less money than this car. I think it's cool, but value just isn't there to me. On the other hand, I imagine the secondary market for this car will be unbelievable, along the lines of an Evo.

Timing could not be better for this car with the EVO being discontinued. No doubt a significant portion of that segment will migrate to the RS when the time comes for a new car.

[Noob]

these are exactly those little rats which rulez the autobahn....Focus, Golf R, AMG45, Subaru STI all over 300 hp most with AWD and less weight which give them awesome performance in 0-60 and on twisty roads, especially on our small backside country roads.
They are the reason i always like to have a SS or GT stock with a supercharger option from factory. 550-600hp both chassis and drivetrains should handle well.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by el ess A

The focus is a huge POS. It's fine for a cheap grocery getter. My mother in law has probably the lowest mile 2012 Focus SE around (1300 miles on it) and I can't get over how cheap it's assembled and how cheesy some of the materials are. There's hardly any difference between the 2015 Focus and the 2012.

350 HP will NOT help this car. No way no how. Will it be fun? Maybe. But who the hell is going to buy it? People wanting cheap cars buy the Focus because they're cheap. If you can afford the performance, Focus isn't going to be it.

But what do you expect for a 20K car?

Just saw the price tag...36K? Ride in a Focus and I can guarantee you that you'll be putting your 36K into something else.

Originally Posted by el ess A

No need for acting all tough, now. Soon your other testicle might drop and you'll feel better.

Trust me, snide little comments towards me cannot keep the Focus from being a underwhelming car no matter how many little badges, or wings and things you bolt on it, IMO. It just won't.

And there's nothing you can do or say to change that. Just like I'll never change your minds that the Focus is the best-made car in the universe. Believe whatever you like.

Not for eveything you said, just everything you said about the RS lol. You do realize the RS is a pretty well known performance car across the pond right? It's a pretty big deal that it is finally coming state side. Even if it doesn't sell in huge numbers here, Ford is going after a different market then people who buy mustangs and camaros. Despite what you might think, there are people that prefer hot hatches to V-8 Coupes. Yes it is a niche market but the market is there.

your comment on price works against you as well, who the hell would spend 75K on a Camaro. Yeah its fast but its still a camaro,. See what I did there? 63K for a GT350R who would spend that much on a Mustang, works both ways. There is a market for those cars though. Props to Ford for taking a gamble on the super hot hatch market. Its price is right in line with its competition the STi and Golf R

Owning a 12 Focus, yes is just a commuter nothing special about it. and the DCT is a POS for sure, the materials aren't high quality and I wouldn't tell anyone they are. But like you said its fine for a DD grocery getter

[RenegadeSS]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

I can clearly see that you don't know about that.. The STi awd is hands down better.

Doesn't the STI use a clutch pack system similar to the audi? I know there Trans layout is similar.

[RenegadeSS]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I pulled 17-18lbs steady in my K03 TSI with APR tune and intake. K03s have a HP limit around 350. Might have been what you were thinking about.

I'm trying to squeeze 260 WHP out of my b7 A4 with the K03. I'm up to 251 whp right now fully bolted , and a tune. I think it might be too much for my motor though. I have 160K on it right now.