Z06 $79,000

[strykerg8gt]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

A Corvette has never been a great strip car. They've never been known for putting the power down well. A ZL1 can be built a lot cheaper and the chassis will be able to take a lot more punishment. You don't see many Corvettes doing wheel stands. There are lots of Camaros out there that do, though.

This thread is stupid.

The biggest problem the Z06 has is it's a Corvette. A Corvette is one of the least practical mass-produced cars on the road. They are impossible to have as your only car because they suck at anything other than driving two people around. There is no utility in them at all, so your $79,000+ purchase must be an additional purchase on top of your practical car you can actually live your life with. A badass car no doubt, but all these comparisons to a Camaro is laughable because they are designed for two completely different purposes. You can live your life out of a Camaro and drive your family around in a Camaro. The 5th Gen is one of the most utilitarian muscle cars ever made - comparatively huge, comfortable back seats, a shockingly usable trunk and it's great in all weather with appropriate tires. Yes, a Corvette will be better at raw speed and performance because GM specifically designs their cars so nothing can outperform a Corvette stock-for-stock. For pretty much anything else, a Camaro is better at. The Z06 is a great value, yes. It is probably the best value in the "near super car" class ever made. But a Camaro is one of the best all around affordable vehicles ever made - be it the V6 or the V8.

Comparing a Z06 to the Z/28 is laughable as well. The idea behind the Z/28 is that it is a stripped down, mechanical beast. You need to be able to drive very well to handle a Z/28. The Z06 is a digital, technological vehicle designed to take a lot of the skill out of driving. It's made to compete with the likes of a GT-R - things are becoming so easy anyone can drive them. It looks like GM even ripped off some of Nissan's design cues. The new Z06 is some kind of Corvette/GT-R hybrid in the looks department. Electronic nanny systems, paddle shifters, launch control, park assist and God only knows what else, comparing a Z/28 to the Z06, one is a rare driver's car and one of an impressively affordable piece of technology designed to help an incompetent oaf look like a superstar.

All the articles I've read regarding the Z/28 praise it for being a remarkable track car and GM for making such a vehicle. I wish I could own one. However, those same articles mention that none of that track ability would be possible without the tires. They consistently mention how the tires alone allow you to do things in that car that shouldn't be possible. So while the Z06 is going to have traction and launch control, along with a boat load of other technical goodies to help make ordinary drivers look great, I'm going to make the argument that the Z/28 has the same advantage. The research and development invested in that tire makes it just as much a technological advantage as all the other goodies in the Z06. You can't tell me that its just a wider tire cause its not. The rubber compound, sidewall construction, tread pattern are all technological advancements that make the Z/28 capable of what it does. And I'm positive that those tires have made more than a few drivers seem like "Superstars" and have saved those drivers when they ran out of talent on a track.

As for the Corvette not being able to put the power to the ground as well as a Camaro, well lets discuss that too. The new Z51 is capable of 1/4 mile times equal to if not better than both the ZL1 and Z/28. Keep in mind that both of those cars have more HP than the Vette. Oh, and I'm not sure as to why you mention the ability to do "wheelstands" as proof of putting down power? Go watch the NHRA and tell me how many of those cars are doing significant wheelstands when completing a pass. That would be none, because at that point the power isn't solely being focused on moving the car down the track as part of it is being wasted pushing the front end up in the air. A good drag strip car will eliminate as much wheelstand as possible so that the power is utilized in moving the car forward and not upwards.

The Camaro is a great car for what it is and the Z/28 is a remarkable track car. But please let me know when the Z/28 is capable of the same track times as the previous generation C6 Z06. Same drivetrain, significantly better tires, slower track times at the Nurburgring by 15 seconds? BTW here's the link for the times http://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

My budget doesn't allow me to be conflicted but I would take a Z/28 over a Z06 in a heartbeat.

If you don't want to go fast, this makes sense.
If you need a back seat, this makes sense
If you aren't at all interested in an 8 speed auto trans, this makes sense
If you have tons of money to spend on fuel to go as fast as the car can go, this makes sense.
If you have lots of money to spend on an occasional track day and no other purpose for a car, this makes sense.
Otherwise, your comment isn't supported by logic and it doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Because, as shocking as it is to say, the Z/28 is more of a track car. This "Z06" is not like previous Z06s. It's more of a touring car than a track car. I would gladly take a Z/28 over the Z06.

Curious of your source for "this Z06 is not like previous Z06s" comment. As far as I know, no one has had a new Z06 to evaluate. Is it not clear to you that the base Z06 will blister any stock Z28 on the road course or 1/4 mile?

I've had two 5th Gen Camaros and loved both of them but , a Z28 for the same money,as a Z06?, nah, make mine a Z06 Corvette!

[2010SLVRBULIT]

Originally Posted by Xlr8ion

What are you smoking? You might want to read how the Z06 and the ALMS car where designed side by side.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Cheap and expensive [are] relative. Compared to the C6 ZR1, the C7 Z06 is cheap.

Thanks for your consideration.

Try BARGAIN...

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Curious of your source for "this Z06 is not like previous Z06s" comment. As far as I know, no one has had a new Z06 to evaluate. Is it not clear to you that the base Z06 will blister any stock Z28 on the road course or 1/4 mile?

I've had two 5th Gen Camaros and loved both of them but , a Z28 for the same money,as a Z06?, nah, make mine a Z06 Corvette!

The source is what we already know about the car. It' supercharged instead of naturally aspirated. It's got a targa top instead of a hard top. It's significantly heavier than even the previous ZR1. It's available with an automatic transmission and convertible top.

The previous Z06s had none of those things.

The Z06 with comparable brakes and suspension will not be the same money as the Z/28.

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

If you don't want to go fast, this makes sense.
If you need a back seat, this makes sense
If you aren't at all interested in an 8 speed auto trans, this makes sense
If you have tons of money to spend on fuel to go as fast as the car can go, this makes sense.
If you have lots of money to spend on an occasional track day and no other purpose for a car, this makes sense.
Otherwise, your comment isn't supported by logic and it doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. I just plain love the Z/28. There's no need to support that with "logic".

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

If you don't want to go fast, this makes sense.
If you need a back seat, this makes sense
If you aren't at all interested in an 8 speed auto trans, this makes sense
If you have tons of money to spend on fuel to go as fast as the car can go, this makes sense.
If you have lots of money to spend on an occasional track day and no other purpose for a car, this makes sense.
Otherwise, your comment isn't supported by logic and it doesn't make sense.



Curious of your source for "this Z06 is not like previous Z06s" comment. As far as I know, no one has had a new Z06 to evaluate. Is it not clear to you that the base Z06 will blister any stock Z28 on the road course or 1/4 mile?

I've had two 5th Gen Camaros and loved both of them but , a Z28 for the same money,as a Z06?, nah, make mine a Z06 Corvette!

Logic gets checked at the door when discussing auto preferences outside of their core transport duty context. Personal preferences rule the checkbooks, not logic.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

If you don't want to go fast, this makes sense.
If you need a back seat, this makes sense
If you aren't at all interested in an 8 speed auto trans, this makes sense
If you have tons of money to spend on fuel to go as fast as the car can go, this makes sense.
If you have lots of money to spend on an occasional track day and no other purpose for a car, this makes sense.
Otherwise, your comment isn't supported by logic and it doesn't make sense.

The Z/28 is faster than a GTR and Turbo S, oh and the C7 Z51. With the Z06 being almost as heavy as the Z/28, I wouldn't be surprised if the Z/28 isn't pretty close to it on some tracks.
I prefer to do my own shifting. 8 speed auto means nothing to me.
How does this not apply to a Z06?
There are Z/28 owners that DD the car. This is not relevant.

Your comments are based on your opinion, not logic, fact or reality.

Sure, the Z06 will be faster but there are logical reasons to go with a Z/28 instead.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The source is what we already know about the car. It' supercharged instead of naturally aspirated. It's got a targa top instead of a hard top. It's significantly heavier than even the previous ZR1. It's available with an automatic transmission and convertible top.

The previous Z06s had none of those things.

The Z06 with comparable brakes and suspension will not be the same money as the Z/28.

Ohhhh...I thought you were talking about negatives in the case of the Z06. Two of the three things you mention are pluses in my opinion over the previous edition and weight is comparable to it's competition.

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

It makes perfect sense. I just plain love the Z/28. There's no need to support that with "logic".

Ok, there are some who love the VW Beatle, but we obviously would never compare it to the Z28 or Z06 any aspect of performance. I'm sure that anyone who loves the Z28 would have to agree that the Z06 will be the star of Chevy performance sports cars. The Z28 is one of the best performance sport coupes of the era.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The Z/28 is faster than a GTR and Turbo S, oh and the C7 Z51. With the Z06 being almost as heavy as the Z/28, I wouldn't be surprised if the Z/28 isn't pretty close to it on some tracks.
I prefer to do my own shifting. 8 speed auto means nothing to me.
How does this not apply to a Z06?
There are Z/28 owners that DD the car. This is not relevant.

Your comments are based on your opinion, not logic, fact or reality.

Sure, the Z06 will be faster but there are logical reasons to go with a Z/28 instead.

Can you tell me how more than 300 pounds difference between the two equals your comment: "With the Z06 being almost as heavy as the Z/28"??? That's 3837 for the Z28 and 3524 for the Z06 and that's not significant? And it's your opinion that my comments aren't based on "fact or reality"? Hmmm...ok.

I believe Chevy builds 2 of the most significant performance cars of the last 5 years in both the Camaro line and the new Stingray. The Z28 is an awesomely fast track car in it's class, but it is my opinion, considering the cost and performance differences, the Corvette Z06 is the much better performance option.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The Z06 with comparable brakes and suspension will not be the same money as the Z/28.

And this shocks and hurts you? When could you EVER buy a brand new Top-tier Vette for Z/28 money?

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

I've seen a perhaps unintended derogatory term used to describe the Z06, since its announced price was revealed. And that term is "cheap".

BEFORE anyone gets upset with the above statement, and the next statement, I have NOT "QUOTED" anyone directly. But the term has popped up, repeatedly...

1) ANYTHING commanding a price of $79K is NOT "cheap". Unless you're a 1%er, and not many inhabit these hallowed halls...

2) How about OUTSTANDING VALUE? Or, if you don't wanna use all those letters (it took me 7 seconds to type that, two-fingered!), simply call it GREAT VALUE (that took only 5 seconds!). Or OV, or GV, or some two-lettered version of same.

VALUE is the intersection of Features and Price. VALUE is what the Z06 has in SPADES!

[rant over, but PLEASE don't call it "cheap". It cheapens the perception of this OUTSTANDING vehicle at an almost unbelievable price! imvho]

I was thinking the same. Since when is 100k cheap? That's 4 digit numbers even on a lease...

[2cnd chance]

GM has already said in testing the 2015 Z06 was faster than the C6 ZR1. What were the ZR1's Ring times???

I'm a Camaro guy however a 1LT Z06 has my attention.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

GM has already said in testing the 2015 Z06 was faster than the C6 ZR1. What were the ZR1's Ring times???

Ooo, Ooo (hand raised) I know. Pick me.

Seriously, the 1LZ Z06 is likely to be quite a bit quicker around most road courses than the Z/28. That's not to take anything away from the Z/28 because it definitely punches above its weight. The Z06 is getting the advantages of leveraging a lot of technology being used for other things GM is doing.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Ohhhh...I thought you were talking about negatives in the case of the Z06. Two of the three things you mention are pluses in my opinion over the previous edition and weight is comparable to it's competition.

Can you tell me how more than 300 pounds difference between the two equals your comment: "With the Z06 being almost as heavy as the Z/28"??? That's 3837 for the Z28 and 3524 for the Z06 and that's not significant? And it's your opinion that my comments aren't based on "fact or reality"? Hmmm...ok.

I believe Chevy builds 2 of the most significant performance cars of the last 5 years in both the Camaro line and the new Stingray. The Z28 is an awesomely fast track car in it's class, but it is my opinion, considering the cost and performance differences, the Corvette Z06 is the much better performance option.

Well, just because you like them doesn't mean their being part of the car doesn't change the core focus of the car. It is not longer a track focused car because they don't make it a better track car.

I consider less than 10% difference not too far off. The Z06 definitely has the advantage but the Z/28 seems to surprise a lot of people. I'm not saying the Z/28 will beat or match the Z06 but I don't think it will be as far behind as most people would expect.

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

And this shocks and hurts you? When could you EVER buy a brand new Top-tier Vette for Z/28 money?

No, I never said that but since you clearly didn't read the post I replied to, I wouldn't expect you to know what I was saying.