2014 Chevrolet SS Sedan Accidentally Confirmed?

[drummer5679]

idgaf about China, I want a new trans am.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by drummer5679

idgaf about China, I want a new trans am.

That wasn't going to happen even if Pontiac survived

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

That wasn't going to happen even if Pontiac survived

Because of a little something called a Camaro.

And before anyone says, "Well WTF Fen, there was a Firebird coexisting with a Camaro for years," remember that the new GM has no room for two cars that cater to the exact same demographic.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by v6

Crossing my fingers for the new Chevelle


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I doubt the Chevelle will ever make a come back. I don't see where they will fit it in the line up. The Camaro is being pushed into entry Corvette territory. If they tried to force a new Chevelle, someone would end up pissed off.

[SleepWarz]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Because of a little something called a Camaro.

And before anyone says, "Well WTF Fen, there was a Firebird coexisting with a Camaro for years," remember that the new GM has no room for two cars that cater to the exact same demographic.

GM and chevy trucks, exactly the same minus grills... Say what you want, but they are exactly the same and pointless. If one didnt exist the rest would just buy the other.
There is alot more reason for a firebird than a clone truck, and clone cuv. For the exact same reason the terrain and the equinox exist, so should camaro and firebird. Some people may want the same package, but for it to look entirely different.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by SleepWarz

GM and chevy trucks, exactly the same minus grills... Say what you want, but they are exactly the same and pointless. If one didnt exist the rest would just buy the other.
There is alot more reason for a firebird than a clone truck, and clone cuv. For the exact same reason the terrain and the equinox exist, so should camaro and firebird. Some people may want the same package, but for it to look entirely different.

Bad business model IMO.

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by SleepWarz

GM and chevy trucks, exactly the same minus grills... Say what you want, but they are exactly the same and pointless. If one didnt exist the rest would just buy the other.
There is alot more reason for a firebird than a clone truck, and clone cuv. For the exact same reason the terrain and the equinox exist, so should camaro and firebird. Some people may want the same package, but for it to look entirely different.

Good points made here.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by SleepWarz

GM and chevy trucks, exactly the same minus grills... Say what you want, but they are exactly the same and pointless. If one didnt exist the rest would just buy the other.
There is alot more reason for a firebird than a clone truck, and clone cuv. For the exact same reason the terrain and the equinox exist, so should camaro and firebird. Some people may want the same package, but for it to look entirely different.

The Silverado and Sierra are trucks. And guess what generates more profit than any passenger car in GM's lineup? Furthermore, expect a big difference between the two, design, feature, and marketing wise with the upcoming 2014 models.

Two cars appealing to the exact same crowd has no place in GM's lineup. Waste of engineering and marketing dollars.

The focus now is profitability, not market share. The only reason to rebadge and rebadge is to chase volume, which is part of what landed GM in trouble in the first place.

Pontiac has no place in the new GM. End of story.

[SleepWarz]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Bad business model IMO.

Yep thats why It should have some very different things about it, rather than just being a trans am skinned camaro. AWD or something advanced like those fancy capacitor powered electric motors connected to the front wheels to give it an edge and make it worth the increased price. I like the position the firebird held in the past, it was more of a premium camaro in which you could get all sorts of new cool goodies that didnt exist in the chevrolet line. Give it options of a turbo 6 and the v8's, maybe even a boosted four if they can find 300 horsepower that they are willing to put in. Finding the willingness to do something like that from gm, is doubtful.

[JusticePete]

This is what is sold as a Chevrolet Caprice in the Middle East.

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Bad business model IMO.

A horrible business model. Badge engineering was one of the main causes of GM's bankruptcy. The biggest problem is that you pretty much kill your brand identities by having the same looking car in each lineup.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by nester7929

A horrible business model. Badge engineering was one of the main causes of GM's bankruptcy. The biggest problem is that you pretty much kill your brand identities by having the same looking car in each lineup.

No badge engineering involved. It is a Chevrolet in the Middle East and in China.



GM owns Holden. Holden is the Chevrolet brand in Australia. You probably already knew that. When the G8 came to the USA they changed the fascia and hood to badge engineer a Pontiac. Those that purchased the Pontiac G8 are passionate fans of the car. It never should have been a Pontiac. It should have been a Chevy back then. Sales would have been more than double if the Holden was in the Chevy Dealer network and not sold through Pontiac in a desperate attempt save the brand.

Badge engineering is bad when the car is the same in the Chevy, Pontiac, Buick group with only cosmetic changes. Well executed brand engineering works when the cars share vital components, but are very different. A Tahoe, Yukon and Escalade are badge engineered and they do very well for GM. GM is selling the Malibu and Cruze world wide. mostly as a Chevy, but also as a Holden. It may be sold under other names I am not aware of. It is a great business model. The New yet-to-be-named Chevy IMHO should be sold in AU as a Holden and the rest of the world as a Chevy. GM leverages the home town brand in AU and, aside from the badging, sells the same car around the world. Where they would get in trouble is if they tried to sell the Holden Commodore as a Chevy and a Buick here in the states without the same significant brand differences we see in the GMT900 SUV range.

[drummer5679]

Originally Posted by nester7929

A horrible business model. Badge engineering was one of the main causes of GM's bankruptcy. The biggest problem is that you pretty much kill your brand identities by having the same looking car in each lineup.

And the fact that thecars in the 90s and early 2000s were basically built to fall apart. My 2000 camaro barely lasted 60k miles before the head gasket went, a problem stemming from the radiator dying and then the radiator cap. The pinion seal in the rear diff failed meaning it had to be rebuilt and the ac compressor also went bad before 50k miles.

[Apex Motorsports]

All I know is that I am dying to see this thing.