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[menendez1293]

Originally Posted by lscamaro

I'm not completely understanding what you're saying. You're free to post in Spanish if you'd like. Are you asking if the ipf tune isn't only to remove the cel that you get with headers?

But LScamaro are you Hispanic as well? If you couldn't tell by my last name (which is my screen name) I am.

[menendez1293]

Originally Posted by Monchy36

Exactly... on my understanding cars without SC get the tune to take off the computer speed restrictions and when you install something that gives you a cell, to clear it... only auto cars can get extra features with the tune...

Not true Monchy. A Tune's purpose is reprogram the ECU to work within the new parameters of the mods you have and to "dial in" your air to fuel ratio. Any car can benefit from a tune really with some more than others. If anyone else has a better way of explaining it go for it.

[PoorMansCamaro]

[Lil' Nasty]

Originally Posted by Monchy36

Which one is that one? PM the price your thinking on sell it?

That is the top spacer where the plenum plate connects to the manifold for lack of a better explanation...

Once i know for sure im selling it i'll let you know

But im pretty sure im going to sell it... i kind of miss having my engine cover on... need to get a nice one though..

[Monchy36]

Originally Posted by menendez1293

Not true Monchy. A Tune's purpose is reprogram the ECU to work within the new parameters of the mods you have and to "dial in" your air to fuel ratio. Any car can benefit from a tune really with some more than others. If anyone else has a better way of explaining it go for it.

That's good enough for me...

[Monchy36]

Originally Posted by Lil' Nasty

That is the top spacer where the plenum plate connects to the manifold for lack of a better explanation...

Once i know for sure im selling it i'll let you know

[lscamaro]

Originally Posted by Monchy36

Exactly... on my understanding cars without SC get the tune to take off the computer speed restrictions and when you install something that gives you a cell, to clear it... only auto cars can get extra features with the tune...

Ok no. In basic terms, an ECU tune is all about adjusting the air to fuel ratio (AFR) that a car has. From the factory, the car is tuned pretty well. When you add things like a cold air intake, a ported manifold, headers, those all change the air fuel ratio from stock because they allow the engine to intake more air thus causing it to go lean. What an ECU tune does is it adjusts the afr, so if lean, the tuner adds more fuel to the mixture to adjust for the extra air. When you add more fuel, you get more power.

The biggest problem with the LLT is the fact that its a fairly new ecu for the American car market. For that reason, it's a lot harder to tune. It's also not supported by the big name software programs like Efi live and hp tuners so again, that makes it harder. The LLT also has a lot of tables where changes have to be made to tune properly. For that reason, most done tune this car.

When someone speaks about auto or manual cars, their talking about the transmission part of a tune. On a transmission tune, you can adjust shift points, shift firmness and torque management. Most of these don't apply to manuals because you obviously choose when to shift on a manual. For that reason most say autos get the most gains from a tune on these cars. Most base their experience off trifecta since their the oldest tune out there. Trifecta doesn't present many gains so its not worth it for a manual car. It's more worth it for an auto because the transmission can be tweaked as well. With a tune like ipf, which advertises more gains, it'd be worth it for a manual car based on gains alone if the gains are enough to justify the cost.

Hope I made that clear. If not, I'll get more into any subject you'd like

[lscamaro]

Originally Posted by menendez1293

But LScamaro are you Hispanic as well? If you couldn't tell by my last name (which is my screen name) I am.

Yes I am
Can speak both Spanish and English fluently as well as read and write them well.

Yea, I saw your last name and I assumed that but I've met a lot of people with Hispanic last names who couldn't speak Spanish to save their lives so I try not to assume anymore

[Monchy36]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

[menendez1293]

Originally Posted by lscamaro

Ok no. In basic terms, an ECU tune is all about adjusting the air to fuel ratio (AFR) that a car has. From the factory, the car is tuned pretty well. When you add things like a cold air intake, a ported manifold, headers, those all change the air fuel ratio from stock because they allow the engine to intake more air thus causing it to go lean. What an ECU tune does is it adjusts the afr, so if lean, the tuner adds more fuel to the mixture to adjust for the extra air. When you add more fuel, you get more power.

The biggest problem with the LLT is the fact that its a fairly new ecu for the American car market. For that reason, it's a lot harder to tune. It's also not supported by the big name software programs like Efi live and hp tuners so again, that makes it harder. The LLT also has a lot of tables where changes have to be made to tune properly. For that reason, most done tune this car.

When someone speaks about auto or manual cars, their talking about the transmission part of a tune. On a transmission tune, you can adjust shift points, shift firmness and torque management. Most of these don't apply to manuals because you obviously choose when to shift on a manual. For that reason most say autos get the most gains from a tune on these cars. Most base their experience off trifecta since their the oldest tune out there. Trifecta doesn't present many gains so its not worth it for a manual car. It's more worth it for an auto because the transmission can be tweaked as well. With a tune like ipf, which advertises more gains, it'd be worth it for a manual car based on gains alone if the gains are enough to justify the cost.

Hope I made that clear. If not, I'll get more into any subject you'd like

This is a very damn good explanation without getting way to technical. Much better than what I attempted to say.

[IPF-Tuning]

menedez1293 and lscamaro are spot on! The reason why we do so well with tuning the LLT Bosch ECU is that we have Arno and Todd as co-owners! Arno has been working on DI engines with the Bosch ECU for a very long time and Todd is the owner of Evolution Motorsports here in Arizona. EVO works exclusively on VERY HIGH HP Audis, Porsches, Ferraris, McLarens, etc. All of which use the same or very similar Bosch ECU. Right now out in the shop they are running a 1400hp Porsche on the dyno and there is a 1400hp twin turbo Audi R8 waiting to get on the dyno next!

-Ben

[menendez1293]

Originally Posted by lscamaro

Yes I am
Can speak both Spanish and English fluently as well as read and write them well.

Yea, I saw your last name and I assumed that but I've met a lot of people with Hispanic last names who couldn't speak Spanish to save their lives so I try not to assume anymore

Understandable. I tend to speak Cuban Monchy can vouch for me when I say that since I talked briefly with him in Spanish at the fest. I was raised learning both languages as my grandparents don't know English but I can not read nor write in Spanish very well since I never really learned. Since English is my primary language though I speak it much better obviously with that being said I still am considerd fluent in both languages.

[Monchy36]

Originally Posted by lscamaro

Ok no. In basic terms, an ECU tune is all about adjusting the air to fuel ratio (AFR) that a car has. From the factory, the car is tuned pretty well. When you add things like a cold air intake, a ported manifold, headers, those all change the air fuel ratio from stock because they allow the engine to intake more air thus causing it to go lean. What an ECU tune does is it adjusts the afr, so if lean, the tuner adds more fuel to the mixture to adjust for the extra air. When you add more fuel, you get more power.

The biggest problem with the LLT is the fact that its a fairly new ecu for the American car market. For that reason, it's a lot harder to tune. It's also not supported by the big name software programs like Efi live and hp tuners so again, that makes it harder. The LLT also has a lot of tables where changes have to be made to tune properly. For that reason, most done tune this car.

When someone speaks about auto or manual cars, their talking about the transmission part of a tune. On a transmission tune, you can adjust shift points, shift firmness and torque management. Most of these don't apply to manuals because you obviously choose when to shift on a manual. For that reason most say autos get the most gains from a tune on these cars. Most base their experience off trifecta since their the oldest tune out there. Trifecta doesn't present many gains so its not worth it for a manual car. It's more worth it for an auto because the transmission can be tweaked as well. With a tune like ipf, which advertises more gains, it'd be worth it for a manual car based on gains alone if the gains are enough to justify the cost.

Hope I made that clear. If not, I'll get more into any subject you'd like

Very clear! so I waist $300 or I still can take advantage from trifecta? What about the part that before I go only to 124 max now I can go almost 160? And when I install my headers do I need a new tune?

[Monchy36]

Originally Posted by lscamaro

Ok no. In basic terms, an ECU tune is all about adjusting the air to fuel ratio (AFR) that a car has. From the factory, the car is tuned pretty well. When you add things like a cold air intake, a ported manifold, headers, those all change the air fuel ratio from stock because they allow the engine to intake more air thus causing it to go lean. What an ECU tune does is it adjusts the afr, so if lean, the tuner adds more fuel to the mixture to adjust for the extra air. When you add more fuel, you get more power.

The biggest problem with the LLT is the fact that its a fairly new ecu for the American car market. For that reason, it's a lot harder to tune. It's also not supported by the big name software programs like Efi live and hp tuners so again, that makes it harder. The LLT also has a lot of tables where changes have to be made to tune properly. For that reason, most done tune this car.

When someone speaks about auto or manual cars, their talking about the transmission part of a tune. On a transmission tune, you can adjust shift points, shift firmness and torque management. Most of these don't apply to manuals because you obviously choose when to shift on a manual. For that reason most say autos get the most gains from a tune on these cars. Most base their experience off trifecta since their the oldest tune out there. Trifecta doesn't present many gains so its not worth it for a manual car. It's more worth it for an auto because the transmission can be tweaked as well. With a tune like ipf, which advertises more gains, it'd be worth it for a manual car based on gains alone if the gains are enough to justify the cost.

Hope I made that clear. If not, I'll get more into any subject you'd like

Very clear! so I waist $300 or I still can take advantage from trifecta? What about the part that before I go only to 124 max now I can go almost 160? And when I install my headers do I need a new tune?

PS: I don't want to do Spanish because I feel Is disrespectful to the people that doesn't understand...