2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP - Page 58

McRat · 07-09-2014, 02:12 PM

I really don't think Dodge is challenging the Z/28.

GM currently has a solid edge on Dodge and Ford in suspension technology.

It might even struggle against a V6 car in the twisties if it does come in at 4400lb with 275's on it.

Bhobbs · 07-09-2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by khell86

Because Murica

They are basically taking all of the engineering behind what makes the car so great and throwing it out the window.

4VFTW · 07-09-2014, 03:47 PM

how do you supercharge a 7L engine and make 652 crank HP? And if you figured out how to do it , why would you?

shaffe · 07-09-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

They are basically taking all of the engineering behind what makes the car so great and throwing it out the window.

True, but its their car and they can do whatever the hell they want with it.

McRat · 07-09-2014, 04:05 PM

The LS7 block is not correct for blown applications.

Hotrodders will hit 650HP at the crank (~550rwhp) without the weight or expense of a supercharger/intercooler system.

The beauty behind a NA engine for track use is the near instant acceleration.

v8 · 07-09-2014, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 4VFTW

how do you supercharge a 7L engine and make 652 crank HP? And if you figured out how to do it , why would you?

Why not?

I don't know if I understand what your saying?

Ford made 662 with a supercharged 5.8
Dodge just made 707 with a supercharged 6.2

So getting 652 out of a 7L should not be hard

v8 · 07-09-2014, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by McRat

The LS7 block is not correct for blown applications.

Hotrodders will hit 650HP at the crank (~550rwhp) without the weight or expense of a supercharger/intercooler system.

The beauty behind a NA engine for track use is the near instant acceleration.

I agree that the LS7 is not good for blown applications

Col. Brain · 07-09-2014, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Okay so a 392 makes 470 HP and costs 50k.

Now you have to take that car, add the entire newly updated interior and the cost of R&Ding that and then making it, the Super Charger and all supporting components. The engine is basically built, you couldnt just take the 392 engine and slap a SC on and make 700 as reliably as the Hellcat will. Then bigger brakes, cooling, suspension, wheels/tires, any special exterior mods etc.

If you wanted to take a 392 and give it all the same performance of the Hellcat with the OEM reliability + quality you'd hit at least 70gs(50+20 in mods).

If they can really get it done for 60k MSRP then that is AMAZINGGG and a HUGE WIN for Dodge.

Tine will tell

You are thinking retail prices

Imagine if you had the buying power to purchase 5000 superchargers. you will not pay the same price as someone buying just 1.

Also the R&D of the body/interior etc - that is spread across all the units. Challengers sell between 35,000-45,000 units a year. That R&D is very little in that regard.

The Hellcat will be added to different vehicles down the line also reducing R&D cost per car.

And finally - if Chevy and Ford can offer a supercharged version of their Muscle cars for under 60k - why can't Dodge?

Seeing that 59.9k price has me excited - and never thought about a Challenger purchase ever.

I opted for a Ram over a Silverado because of what was offered and for the price it was offered.

Chrysler maybe just maybe be able to do it again.

Col. Brain · 07-09-2014, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by McRat

The only way I'd buy a Hellcat is if it lived up to the concept.

Gutted, aluminum/magnesium/composite, No AC optional, and other weight reduction mods.
Live axle with 4th gear aimed at the trap speeds. Suspension aimed at drag racing. 15" rear rim clearance.

THEN it would would be worth more than $60k. It would be truly Old School Hemi Drag style. Nostalgia with the ET's to back it's badging.

A heavy car with modern bling and creature comforts just isn't going to get nostalgia crowd.

Does it work? Well, look at the first Viper. Freaking thing didn't even have real windows. The C5 Z06, while it did have AC and a radio, no other options. Both of these sold at a premium price even though they were less sophisticated cars.

And of course, the Z/28, but at this point nobody knows if it will be a success in the showroom like it is on a track.

its called a Drag Pak and they have been making them since 2008

motorhead · 07-09-2014, 04:34 PM

I can't wait to be able to outrun myself. I hope Yellow is a color choice.

Whos_Drivin · 07-09-2014, 08:13 PM

I'm just waiting to see the carnage. After watching ZL1s roll, take out trees and end up in pools...throwing in 127 HP, worse suspension, "breaks that look big", skinnier tires and more weight...could be interesting...

ilirg · 07-09-2014, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

I'm just waiting to see the carnage. After watching ZL1s roll, take out trees and end up in pools...throwing in 127 HP, worse suspension, "breaks that look big", skinnier tires and more weight...could be interesting...

Lmao +1

i2disturbedSS · 07-09-2014, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro Lives On

Mmmm.... 1414 hp worth of smokey deliciousness. Car and Driver... for once I like you! lol

Wow - who is cleaning the tread off the car that is a lot!?

Camarolover85 · 07-09-2014, 09:51 PM

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I'm just waiting to see the carnage. After watching ZL1s roll, take out trees and end up in pools...throwing in 127 HP, worse suspension, "breaks that look big", skinnier tires and more weight...could be interesting...
Lmao +1

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Originally Posted by ilirg

Lmao +1

too funny!!

07-09-2014, 02:12 PM	#799
McRat Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan" Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Norco, CA Posts: 1,183	I really don't think Dodge is challenging the Z/28. GM currently has a solid edge on Dodge and Ford in suspension technology. It might even struggle against a V6 car in the twisties if it does come in at 4400lb with 275's on it. __________________ 2002 Z06 "Blue Meanie" 11.36 ET 2003 Z06 in progress 2009 CTS-V "Spooky" 12.36 ET, bone stock at 1600 mi. Rainy day in Sacramento. Sadness. 2010 ZR1 "Satan" no times yet. 2013 Volt SCCA Solo2 #771 HS3. And a bunch of Duramaxes.

07-09-2014, 04:05 PM	#803
McRat Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan" Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Norco, CA Posts: 1,183	The LS7 block is not correct for blown applications. Hotrodders will hit 650HP at the crank (~550rwhp) without the weight or expense of a supercharger/intercooler system. The beauty behind a NA engine for track use is the near instant acceleration. __________________ 2002 Z06 "Blue Meanie" 11.36 ET 2003 Z06 in progress 2009 CTS-V "Spooky" 12.36 ET, bone stock at 1600 mi. Rainy day in Sacramento. Sadness. 2010 ZR1 "Satan" no times yet. 2013 Volt SCCA Solo2 #771 HS3. And a bunch of Duramaxes.

07-09-2014, 08:13 PM	#809
Whos_Drivin Drives: '12 Camaro ZL1, '16 Silverado Z71 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Blaine, MN Posts: 846	I'm just waiting to see the carnage. After watching ZL1s roll, take out trees and end up in pools...throwing in 127 HP, worse suspension, "breaks that look big", skinnier tires and more weight...could be interesting... __________________ 2012 ZL1: M6, Rotofab CAI, ATI balancer w/8.66 overdrive, PFADT long tube headers w/cats 2016 Silverado LTZ-Z71 Midnight Edition: 6.2L, 8 speed auto, Borla exhaust

07-09-2014, 03:47 PM	#801
4VFTW Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: United States Posts: 73	how do you supercharge a 7L engine and make 652 crank HP? And if you figured out how to do it , why would you?

07-09-2014, 04:34 PM	#808
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,849	I can't wait to be able to outrun myself. I hope Yellow is a color choice.