The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Wow! You get defensive very easy. You sound very young. Can I see you timeslips on the 5.0 and the SS?

I would also love to see the two time slips. That way we can compare
1. date - time of year and weather conditions of both runs
2. 60' time - maybe he's better at launching the Mustang off the line?

[Crowley]

I love what Fords done .. looks good (both of them!!)

[Gangster]

I am a service advisor in a FORD dealer. You can only imagine the shit I hear all day long. It didnt stop me from buying my 5gen especially when the price is now almost identical. It was one thing to buy a mustang back when they were 5 grand cheaper than a camaro but when they decided to hike the price up 5 grand just cause they put a new motor in you just cant justify that in my book. The camaro is much more car and always has been, the mustang has always been a little faster and alot less money. (until now)When customers say to me "im asking myself why you are driving a camaro working in a ford dealer" I say to them you should be asking yourself why im working in a ford dealer and I drive a camaro.

this was me 3 years ago


Im much happier now.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Gangster

I am a service advisor in a FORD dealer. You can only imagine the shit I hear all day long. It didnt stop me from buying my 5gen especially when the price is now almost identical. It was one thing to buy a mustang back when they were 5 grand cheaper than a camaro but when they decided to hike the price up 5 grand just cause they put a new motor in you just cant justify that in my book. The camaro is much more car and always has been, the mustang has always been a little faster and alot less money. (until now)When customers say to me "im asking myself why you are driving a camaro working in a ford dealer" I say to them you should be asking yourself why im working in a ford dealer and I drive a camaro.

this was me 3 years ago


Im much happier now.

Sweet color!

[VetteMaro]

Why aren't there any companies tuning the 5th gen Camaro SS "seriously" like they did with the 5.0 stang and the 4th gen SS?

Some may argue that it's because the mustang sells like crazy, the aftermarket is filled with various tuning choices. But, the 4th gen didn't nearly sell as well as the 5th gen, yet there were some companies that seriously tuned them. Whats holding aftermarket tuners from jumping on the 5th gen?

I hope that we see some serious effort put into this new platform, something like the texas speed LS1 4th gen:


The car is an auto and has the following mods:

- Precision Race Components 215 Fully CNC Ported Cylinder Heads
- Magic Stick 4 Camshaft
- F.A.S.T. 92mm Ported Intake
- P.T.M. 95mm Throttle Body
- Texas Speed 100mm MAF
- 1 7/8" KOOKS Headers

And ofcourse some serious weight reduction at ~3900 lbs (~500-600 lbs reduction). Texas Speed say that they later broke this record run, and ran a 9.66 @ 136mph w/ a 1.30 sixty-foot.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by VetteMaro

Why aren't there any companies tuning the 5th gen Camaro SS "seriously" like they did with the 5.0 stang and the 4th gen SS?

Some may argue that it's because the mustang sells like crazy, the aftermarket is filled with various tuning choices. But, the 4th gen didn't nearly sell as well as the 5th gen, yet there were some companies that seriously tuned them. Whats holding aftermarket tuners from jumping on the 5th gen?

I hope that we see some serious effort put into this new platform, something like the texas speed LS1 4th gen:


The car is an auto and has the following mods:

- Precision Race Components 215 Fully CNC Ported Cylinder Heads
- Magic Stick 4 Camshaft
- F.A.S.T. 92mm Ported Intake
- P.T.M. 95mm Throttle Body
- Texas Speed 100mm MAF
- 1 7/8" KOOKS Headers

And ofcourse some serious weight reduction at ~3900 lbs (~500-600 lbs reduction). Texas Speed say that they later broke this record run, and ran a 9.66 @ 136mph w/ a 1.30 sixty-foot.

Like this?

LMR's 9 sec 2010 Camaro SS

[RedJewelSS]

Originally Posted by Gunsmoke

Lmao, fords have always been horrible for that.

So did you guys race or just make out in the driveway?!?

where was i supposed to race? i dont have a race track in my back yard.

[VetteMaro]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Like this?

LMR's 9 sec 2010 Camaro SS

No. Not like that. The guys at LMR did put in serious effort in that car. But, That car has a built 427 ci and a procharger.

How can it be compared to a car that still has a stock short block with a cam and the usual boltons that alot of customers would do, plus ofcourse weight reduction?

I mean something like what a couple of companies did to the (still very new platform) 5.0 and what Texas Speed did for the 4th gen LS1 i posted in my prevoius post.

[Georgie]

tires are a big deal at the strip; comparison should be all seasons to all seasons or summer/performance to summer/performance

[antimatr]

Originally Posted by Gangster

It was one thing to buy a mustang back when they were 5 grand cheaper than a camaro

Going strictly by MSRP, a base , no-option 2010 Mustang GT was at most, $3400 less than a no-option 1SS (although the base GT was nowhere near as nicely equipped as the 1SS). However, after configuring a 2010 GT Premium similarly spec'd to my 2011 (Track pack, HIDs and Security Pacakge), and a similarly-equipped 2010 2SS/RS, the price difference was about $1300. Rebates, markups, whatever notwithstanding, I'm not seeing your '5 grand cheaper' here.

Originally Posted by Gangster

but when they decided to hike the price up 5 grand just cause they put a new motor in you just cant justify that in my book.

The price increase between the 2010 and 2011 (especially considering the new engines, transmissions and other refinements over the previous year) is not that great. A base 2011 GT is only $1250 more than a 2010 model. My 2011 GT Premium with the Brembo package, HIDs, Security package and 3.55s stickered at barely $2000 more than a comparable 2010. (However, I will admit, had Ford not put the 5.0L Coyote engine and a 6-speed manual transmission in the car and kept the car as-is for 2011, I'd most likely be in a 2SS right now [once I found a dealer that would've been willing to sell me one at or below invoice]).

Originally Posted by Gangster

The camaro is much more car and always has been, the mustang has always been a little faster and alot less money. (until now)

Both cars have had their high (and low) points over the years; the various Shelby Mustangs, the Boss 302, 429 and 351, the 428CJ Mach 1 of the 60s and early 70s, the sadly forgotten SVO Mustangs of the mid-80s, the '87-'93 5.0s, 2000 Cobra R, '03-'04 Terminator Cobras to name a few, while the Camaro's history has the original '67-'69 big-block SS396s and 302-powered Z/28s, the various COPO cars, the '70 LT-1 Z/28 (my personal favorite classic Camaro), the later L98 and LB9 TPI 3rd gens, the 4th-gen LT1/LS1 Z28s and SSs, and of course the current 2010 Camaro to be rightly proud of.

But let's not forget the less-memorable cars from either camp. The '71-'73 Mustang ('71 Mach 1 and Boss 351 excluded, of course), the Mustang II (ugh), the early 80s 255 V8 cars that put out an awe-inspiring 117hp, the swarms of 2.3L 4-banger Fox-body cars, the '96-'98 2v 4.6L GTs and pre-fix '99 Cobras. I'm pretty sure Camaro guys would most likely rather forget the mid 70s Camaros (145-155hp 350 anyone?), the '82 Z28 with Cross-Fire injection, the 3rd-gen Iron Duke 2.5L 4-banger Camaros and of course, the '03-'09 Camaro.

Debating on which car has been 'much more' over the years is purely subjective (especially when both cars have had so many variations and have been around for 40+ years), and as such, is one which I will not touch with a 10-mile pole.

That said, with regards to the current GT and SS, I don't think there's been a Camaro and Mustang that has been this close, when objectively speaking from a performance and price standpoint. In my opinion, you can't go wrong either way.

[RedJewelSS]

Originally Posted by antimatr

Going strictly by MSRP, a base , no-option 2010 Mustang GT was at most, $3400 less than a no-option 1SS (although the base GT was nowhere near as nicely equipped as the 1SS). However, after configuring a 2010 GT Premium similarly spec'd to my 2011 (Track pack, HIDs and Security Pacakge), and a similarly-equipped 2010 2SS/RS, the price difference was about $1300. Rebates, markups, whatever notwithstanding, I'm not seeing your '5 grand cheaper' here.



The price increase between the 2010 and 2011 (especially considering the new engines, transmissions and other refinements over the previous year) is not that great. A base 2011 GT is only $1250 more than a 2010 model. My 2011 GT Premium with the Brembo package, HIDs, Security package and 3.55s stickered at barely $2000 more than a comparable 2010. (However, I will admit, had Ford not put the 5.0L Coyote engine and a 6-speed manual transmission in the car and kept the car as-is for 2011, I'd most likely be in a 2SS right now [once I found a dealer that would've been willing to sell me one at or below invoice]).



Both cars have had their high (and low) points over the years; the various Shelby Mustangs, the Boss 302, 429 and 351, the 428CJ Mach 1 of the 60s and early 70s, the sadly forgotten SVO Mustangs of the mid-80s, the '87-'93 5.0s, 2000 Cobra R, '03-'04 Terminator Cobras to name a few, while the Camaro's history has the original '67-'69 big-block SS396s and 302-powered Z/28s, the various COPO cars, the '70 LT-1 Z/28 (my personal favorite classic Camaro), the later L98 and LB9 TPI 3rd gens, the 4th-gen LT1/LS1 Z28s and SSs, and of course the current 2010 Camaro to be rightly proud of.

But let's not forget the less-memorable cars from either camp. The '71-'73 Mustang ('71 Mach 1 and Boss 351 excluded, of course), the Mustang II (ugh), the early 80s 255 V8 cars that put out an awe-inspiring 117hp, the swarms of 2.3L 4-banger Fox-body cars, the '96-'98 2v 4.6L GTs and pre-fix '99 Cobras. I'm pretty sure Camaro guys would most likely rather forget the mid 70s Camaros (145-155hp 350 anyone?), the '82 Z28 with Cross-Fire injection, the 3rd-gen Iron Duke 2.5L 4-banger Camaros and of course, the '03-'09 Camaro.

Debating on which car has been 'much more' over the years is purely subjective (especially when both cars have had so many variations and have been around for 40+ years), and as such, is one which I will not touch with a 10-mile pole.

That said, with regards to the current GT and SS, I don't think there's been a Camaro and Mustang that has been this close, when objectively speaking from a performance and price standpoint. In my opinion, you can't go wrong either way.

are you a lawyer?

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by RedJewelSS

are you a lawyer?

hes just a man, a man armed with the truth, and he's willing to use it

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by antimatr

Going strictly by MSRP, a base , no-option 2010 Mustang GT was at most, $3400 less than a no-option 1SS (although the base GT was nowhere near as nicely equipped as the 1SS). However, after configuring a 2010 GT Premium similarly spec'd to my 2011 (Track pack, HIDs and Security Pacakge), and a similarly-equipped 2010 2SS/RS, the price difference was about $1300. Rebates, markups, whatever notwithstanding, I'm not seeing your '5 grand cheaper' here.



The price increase between the 2010 and 2011 (especially considering the new engines, transmissions and other refinements over the previous year) is not that great. A base 2011 GT is only $1250 more than a 2010 model. My 2011 GT Premium with the Brembo package, HIDs, Security package and 3.55s stickered at barely $2000 more than a comparable 2010. (However, I will admit, had Ford not put the 5.0L Coyote engine and a 6-speed manual transmission in the car and kept the car as-is for 2011, I'd most likely be in a 2SS right now [once I found a dealer that would've been willing to sell me one at or below invoice]).



Both cars have had their high (and low) points over the years; the various Shelby Mustangs, the Boss 302, 429 and 351, the 428CJ Mach 1 of the 60s and early 70s, the sadly forgotten SVO Mustangs of the mid-80s, the '87-'93 5.0s, 2000 Cobra R, '03-'04 Terminator Cobras to name a few, while the Camaro's history has the original '67-'69 big-block SS396s and 302-powered Z/28s, the various COPO cars, the '70 LT-1 Z/28 (my personal favorite classic Camaro), the later L98 and LB9 TPI 3rd gens, the 4th-gen LT1/LS1 Z28s and SSs, and of course the current 2010 Camaro to be rightly proud of.

But let's not forget the less-memorable cars from either camp. The '71-'73 Mustang ('71 Mach 1 and Boss 351 excluded, of course), the Mustang II (ugh), the early 80s 255 V8 cars that put out an awe-inspiring 117hp, the swarms of 2.3L 4-banger Fox-body cars, the '96-'98 2v 4.6L GTs and pre-fix '99 Cobras. I'm pretty sure Camaro guys would most likely rather forget the mid 70s Camaros (145-155hp 350 anyone?), the '82 Z28 with Cross-Fire injection, the 3rd-gen Iron Duke 2.5L 4-banger Camaros and of course, the '03-'09 Camaro.

Debating on which car has been 'much more' over the years is purely subjective (especially when both cars have had so many variations and have been around for 40+ years), and as such, is one which I will not touch with a 10-mile pole.

That said, with regards to the current GT and SS, I don't think there's been a Camaro and Mustang that has been this close, when objectively speaking from a performance and price standpoint. In my opinion, you can't go wrong either way.

The price for the new motor was built into the 2010 Mustang pricing.

The 2005 Mustang GT had a base price of $24,995. The 2011 GT has a base price of $30,495. The difference is roughly $5,500 dollars in 6 model years.

I don't see nothing really out of line or major about that, considering how quickly the price of cars goes up. Not to mention the improvements to the car.

The Camaro went up roughly the same ratio from 2002 to 2010.

[phenixdragon]

Originally Posted by alex33x

I had always been a ford guy until the camaro came out, I love the new mustang specially under the hood. But appearance wise the camaro is the best looking one.

Same here. ALWAYS drove and picked the Mustang, even for looks. But the newest ones are just a dime a dozen and they are just so fugly.