2011 Cruze tonight

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by n2oSS

looks like the old optimas.

americans want function with thier car yes but dear god make them look good.

cavalier, malibu, lol aztec, this thing ........... gm needs to find designers with better taste imo

Not even close.

And Malibu is widely regarded as one of the best midsize sedan designs in the market.

[n2oSS]

and most would also say the market sucks. lesser of two weavels

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by n2oSS

looks like the old altimas.

americans want function with thier car yes but dear god make them look good.

cavalier, malibu, lol aztec, this thing ........... gm needs to find designers with better taste imo

Clearly beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

I can't think of a time the General put out better designs....(The 60s and 70s don't count as they were entirely different cars )

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Remember, GM had a 260 HP "ecoboost" (yes, even my friend at Ford had to educate his work mates that GM beat them to the punch by years with an SIDI turbo 4 cylinder) in a car that set the class record at the 'ring.

We all know both engines have a turbo and DI. Ecoboost is WAY more than just that. Ecoboost refers more to the management of the engine than the hardware. That is why this new technology contributed to 125 new patents from Ford. To compare the Ecotec motor to the Ecoboost motor and try to say it is the same technology is simply laughable.

The Ford powertrain management strategy uses hundreds of thousands of lines of computer code and related parameters that are adjusted to optimize the engine and transmission operation. It's these processes that largely make up the EcoBoost patent contribution and make Ford's use of direct injection and turbocharging of its engines like no other automaker in the world.

"The secret to Ford's EcoBoost system isn't just the hardware – the key is in the Ford control system," said Brett Hinds, Ford Advanced Engine Design and Development manager.

To extract the level of power and efficiency achieved in an engine like the EcoBoost V-6, a remarkable level of precision is required. One example is the amount of control engineers maintain over the fuel injection system:



· The powertrain management strategy uses 10,066 adjustable parameters

· At idle, each injector releases 10.4 milligrams of fuel per injection; put in household terms, that's 1/25,000 the volume of a can of soda, or 0.2 drops of fuel

· Fuel injection pressure is continuously controlled to between 220 psi and 2150 psi

· Injection timing is adjusted up to 300 times a second

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

To compare the Ecotec motor to the Ecoboost motor and try to say it is the same technology is simply laughable.

Yeah...not quite....

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by Number 3

And you will again see the 2.0T DI engine in the Regal soon.

Is it going to be the same LNF or an updated version?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

We all know both engines have a turbo and DI. Ecoboost is WAY more than just that. Ecoboost refers more to the management of the engine than the hardware. That is why this new technology contributed to 125 new patents from Ford. To compare the Ecotec motor to the Ecoboost motor and try to say it is the same technology is simply laughable.

Ok, if you say so.............and a press release from Ford which must make it all true and scientific.

And sorry it's not laughable.....................unless you believe Ford press releases.

[JoeP@TeamBeckyD]

I think the car looks great and we are going to sell a bunch of them. If this is at all like the Malibu, it's a homerun. The attention to detail and the quality standard that started with the Malibu has continued through all the new vehicles -Traverse, Equinox, Camaro. Adding the Cruze to the lineup will give us one more opportunity to get a leg up on the competition. I say Great Job GM!!:

[LostInMoscow]

Well, there just happened to be a Cruze parked in front of my office today. Here are the photos as promised......

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, if you say so.............and a press release from Ford which must make it all true and scientific.

And sorry it's not laughable.....................unless you believe Ford press releases.

Fortunately it is true.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Fortunately it is true.

Not according to my sources.

Don't get me wrong it's a great effort. But I also understand very well the marketing side of this discussion. There is what the OEM wants you to believe and what is really there.

Curious as to why you are so pationate about ecoboost? It really isn't a technology but rather an application of technology with a marketing name.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Fortunately it is true.

Also, if you look here you'll see both the ecotec and ecoboost recognized by one of the industry respected sources.

http://www.underhoodservice.com/Arti...announced.aspx

It's not that the Ford effort isn't great, it's just your calling the ecotec "laughable" that is worthy of follow-up. That's just not the case.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Also, if you look here you'll see both the ecotec and ecoboost recognized by one of the industry respected sources.

http://www.underhoodservice.com/Arti...announced.aspx

It's not that the Ford effort isn't great, it's just your calling the ecotec "laughable" that is worthy of follow-up. That's just not the case.

In your link they are refering to the 2.4 DI non-turbo Ecotec. Your original comparison was to the 2.0 turbo version in the Cobalt SS. Do you remember talking about how good it's time was at "The Ring".

Now in 2006 the 2.0 supercharged LSJ was on Ward's list but that is not the turbo version engine you were mentioning. In fact the turbo version has not been on Ward's list at all.

The 2.4 DI that is on Ward's list is not a turbo engine either so I don't know what point you were trying to make.

My point is that it IS laughable to say that both the 2.0 Ecotec turbo engine and the Ford 2.0 EcoBoost engine are the same technology. Similar hardware but engine control and integration with the vehicle is no comparison. The engine management and control is the key to EcoBoost.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Curious as to why you are so pationate about ecoboost? It really isn't a technology but rather an application of technology with a marketing name.

Great marketing don't you think.