Did anyone else just see the story on Toyota on NBC?

[first one]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

TOYOTA...Moving Forward...unintentionally...

nice

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Standard Operating Procedure for ALL Manufacturers...

Witness what happened with the MN6 trans in Camaros last summer...some broke, but NO recall..."If your's breaks, we'll fix it..." Cheaper for GM to do that, than recall the entire batch...FACT!

NHTSA went to Japan, earlier this winter, to try and get to the bottom of this, at Toyota's behest. NHTSA was NOT accorded that type of "support" from GM over multiple Cobalt issues...no invite to Warren MI. or anywhere else, as testimony today reveals...

This is such a "wildfire", now, that it is clearly in Toyota's BEST INTEREST to get it resolved...QUICKLY and transparently...and they will. But they are FAR from alone...

GM offering $1,000 checks to Toyota owners is very hypocritical, considering what all they have "under their carpet"...and at the very least awfully "low road"...


"People in glass houses..."

And "SHAME!" on Washington for trying to suggest this is a DIRECT result of Obama's policies. These "problems" apparently has been "known" since as early as 2002...and from 2002 to 2008, it was under who's Administration's "watch"?? That's right, the "De-Regulators"...kinda like "Wall Street on Wheels"...

Archangel, if her car IS "subject to recall", git 'er done! If it's NOT yet, "when will it be?", and keep in constant but respectful contact with the Dealer...

Thank you for your insightful input.

[LOWDOWN]

The "fact" is, this "episode" is a "black eye" for EVERY vehicle Manufacturer, regardless, because it adds MORE suspicion by consumers towards ALL (vehicle) Manufacturers and Big Business. NONE of them can take ANY pride it what's happening to Toyota because the "boogie-man" could just as easily be at THEIR doors next...

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Standard Operating Procedure for ALL Manufacturers...

Witness what happened with the MN6 trans in Camaros last summer...some broke, but NO recall..."If your's breaks, we'll fix it..." Cheaper for GM to do that, than recall the entire batch...FACT!

NHTSA went to Japan, earlier this winter, to try and get to the bottom of this, at Toyota's behest. NHTSA was NOT accorded that type of "support" from GM over multiple Cobalt issues...no invite to Warren MI. or anywhere else, as testimony today reveals...

This is such a "wildfire", now, that it is clearly in Toyota's BEST INTEREST to get it resolved...QUICKLY and transparently...and they will. But they are FAR from alone...

GM offering $1,000 checks to Toyota owners is very hypocritical, considering what all they have "under their carpet"...and at the very least awfully "low road"...


"People in glass houses..."

And "SHAME!" on Washington for trying to suggest this is a DIRECT result of Obama's policies. These "problems" apparently has been "known" since as early as 2002...and from 2002 to 2008, it was under who's Administration's "watch"?? That's right, the "De-Regulators"...kinda like "Wall Street on Wheels"...

Archangel, if her car IS "subject to recall", git 'er done! If it's NOT yet, "when will it be?", and keep in constant but respectful contact with the Dealer...

Holy smokes!! Where do I start with this.

On second thought, not worth the effort.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Holy smokes!! Where do I start with this.

On second thought, not worth the effort.

come on, give it a shot

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The "fact" is, this "episode" is a "black eye" for EVERY vehicle Manufacturer, regardless, because it adds MORE suspicion by consumers towards ALL (vehicle) Manufacturers and Big Business. NONE of them can take ANY pride it what's happening to Toyota because the "boogie-man" could just as easily be at THEIR doors next...

I don't agree... I think this will be a black eye for Japanese auto Manufacturers, and possibly all Japanese companies. That "Japan makes the best quality stuff" image is finally shattered (and a lot of us knew it was bullshit anyway). GM, Ford and Chrysler are in the catbird seat now, and hopefully the do the right thing and continue offering new quality product at competitive prices, this is the chance they needed, and I have a feeling it will balance things out back to their favor.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

I don't agree... I think this will be a black eye for Japanese auto Manufacturers, and possibly all Japanese companies. That "Japan makes the best quality stuff" image is finally shattered (and a lot of us knew it was bullshit anyway).

At a cursory look, that may be true...but "connect some dots"...

Toyota designs and validates a part, goes outside it's long-cherished supply chain of "known" Japanese suppliers to have it manufactured by an American supplier in a Canadian plant...and the "feathers hit the fan..."

Tell me where the "collateral damage" (to coin a familiar phrase from OP, here) ends??

Again... "others" have had "problems"...and will, again...so there should NOT be any "dancing in the streets" by anyone...IMHO

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Holy smokes!! Where do I start with this.

On second thought, not worth the effort.

Agreed...you're always so rational though...it would have been neat to watch you go ape-$hit.

Anyways...it makes me sad to think that there are people in this country willing to forgive toyota for being dirty, sneaky, foul, stupid, and altogether LOW...and then try and justify it...

I mean...you don't need to be "happy"...people have died because of their lack of...well, a lot of things...and certainly this will have implications on the Industry as a whole that we'll need to watch out for. But this is SO much bigger than any other recall in history (8.5 MILLION within a couple months time!!!), and the shadows surrounding the circumstances are so dense you'd think this was a mystery/conspiracy film.

So to try and defend them? So sad. :(

...and of course, the obligatory "IMHO"...

[Stew]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

At a cursory look, that may be true...but "connect some dots"...

Toyota designs and validates a part, goes outside it's long-cherished supply chain of "known" Japanese suppliers to have it manufactured by an American supplier in a Canadian plant...and the "feathers hit the fan..."

Tell me where the "collateral damage" (to coin a familiar phrase from OP, here) ends??

Again... "others" have had "problems"...and will, again...so there should NOT be any "dancing in the streets" by anyone...IMHO

It's not the fact they had problems. To be honest, they would have been much better off to nip it in the bud when it happened. It's the lengths they went to hide it, bragging about saving 100 million by negotiating a lower recall, knowing of a DEALY issue and doing nothing about it and agin, doing what they could to hide it.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

At a cursory look, that may be true...but "connect some dots"...

Toyota designs and validates a part, goes outside it's long-cherished supply chain of "known" Japanese suppliers to have it manufactured by an American supplier in a Canadian plant...and the "feathers hit the fan..."

Tell me where the "collateral damage" (to coin a familiar phrase from OP, here) ends??

Again... "others" have had "problems"...and will, again...so there should NOT be any "dancing in the streets" by anyone...IMHO

It doesn't matter who the supplier was or the country of origin. Toyota ok'd the parts and installed them on their cars. If they were made to spec, the supplier cannot be faulted. If they weren't to spec, Toyota should have caught it and never installed them on the cars. Either way, it becomes Toyota's fault for not seeing a problem. Plus, that is only for the sticky pedals. What about the lack of an override? The steering issues? The floormats? The Prius programing glitch? Are those all because of suppliers too?

No automaker is dancing in the streets right now. The most that any of them has done is offer incentives to current Toyota owners. None have directly attacked Toyota for its problems. Some dealers have, but dealers are not auto makers and as independent businesses they are free to have independent advertising.

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

At a cursory look, that may be true...but "connect some dots"...

Toyota designs and validates a part, goes outside it's long-cherished supply chain of "known" Japanese suppliers to have it manufactured by an American supplier in a Canadian plant...and the "feathers hit the fan..."

Tell me where the "collateral damage" (to coin a familiar phrase from OP, here) ends??

Again... "others" have had "problems"...and will, again...so there should NOT be any "dancing in the streets" by anyone...IMHO

You give people WAY too much credit. The average american thinks the Camaro is made by Ford, and cant see past the Toyota + Japan, and will feel the same way about Honda or anything else with a Japanese name. 99% of the car buying public is not as savvy as we are.

And in connecting the dots you missed the fact that Toyota specs the parts to these manufacturers, they also test and approve them. If the part was designed and built within spec of what Toyota requested and approved its their problem.

The feathers aren't going to hit the fan you describe this like its a conpiracy that will stem back on the US and Canada, it won't. Most of the cars recalled were assembled here, which has been pointed out in the news but not prominently, and people don't seem to care.

[Angrybird 12]

Well where was the program for the ECU written? Here or Japan?

I don't think it is all parts failure... some is blamed on the programming of the ECU..

[LOWDOWN]

Well, I guess while your collective attention is directed at flaming me, you can't be posting assinine comments simaltaneously...

Since the beginning of this royal fiasco, I have NOT defended Toyota...I've simply tried to bring some "balance" to some of the glee expressed here...glee involving deaths, as you now so pontificatingly want to remind us of, after "rubbing salt" and various other compounds on Toyota AND GM products and customers... Makes you sound like a Senator, for God's sake...a typical self-righteous hypocritical Senator from the Great State of Confusion...

And where, exactly, does NHTSA come into play in this "theatre of the absurd?"

Fact is...and yes, it IS a FACT...ALL auto Manufacturers have "skeletons", past and present, and will in the future. So continue with your pitiful salt-rubbing glee...while you can...before the "next great auto scandal" arrives at YOUR favorite Brand's doorstep...because it surely will...

That's NOT my opinion, that too is FACT...

For those NOT on salt-free diets...http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62995

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Toyota just has more than anyone else. Remember them recalling more cars than they actually sold a few years ago? Or prehaps the oil sludge problem that they insisted was user error...until a class action lawsuit was issued.

Now floor mats are killing people....no wait its not floor mats, its the accelerator sticking...no wait its not that, its the cpu......well we dont really know what it is.

Look phuck toyota.

They come here as an import company...that doesnt want to pay import fees, so they decide to build plants here...off our government tax exemptions (that us companies dont get) then they decide they are not going to build cars using the labor union thats mandated on the domestic companies, so they get away with cheaper labor and benifits with no real long term costs while avoiding import fees...which allows them a bigger profit on every car sold. Forcing the domestic companies to send work out of the country so they can try to place their cars within a reasonble price of the import counter part.

Its B.S. and its our governments fault first and foremost.

Either force the UAW on all automakers actively building vehicles in the US, or get rid of the union all together so all manufacturers can compete on fair and even ground. No more $20 mil tax breaks for foreign companes to build plants here while leaving our guys in the cold.

Take a look at how Japan does business and see how many American cars are sold in Japan? See if its fair there.