Mustang gets a clue in 2014

[coolman]

SOLID AXLE RULES AND THAT JUST HAPPENED !!!Hey, hello has anyone out there remembered the topic.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by SLOWHITE

I've never heard of a stock 11.95 GT500, and either have any of my freinds who are Mustang fans and owners. Maybe the GT500 was "Mustang stock".

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...highlight=evan

Feel free to share it with your friends and get them up to speed.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...highlight=evan

Feel free to share it with your friends and get them up to speed.

Hey why not just come right out and say it dude. You have the best car hands downs and all of us dumb ass camaro guys are second best.

[SLOWHITE]

They did see the actual article I believe, but even my Mustang driving freinds aren't gullible enough to believe it.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by a_Username

That's because of the track pack which was specifically made to do so, without it the GT did not fare near as well. Of course a Live Axle on steroids will do better than a "virgin" IRS.

I still don't understand this argument. Your basically complaining that it's somehow unfair to compare a well sorted live axle to an IRS. There is nothing special about the Track Pack other than it is a really well sorted piece. It rides more or less on par with the normal GT, and behaves like the daily driver it was meant to be when called upon to do so.

The other problem with the 'track special' argument is that every Mustang GT gets a revised version of the 2010 Track Pack suspension setup for 2011. The 19" wheels and summer tires aren't standard fare, but virtually everything from the 2011 TP setup else is...and of course they improved upon the design along with spreading it across the GT lineup.

[garagelogic]

I think we can all agree that the suspension under the 2010 Camaro is, like almost every production car built, a compromise between handling and ride quality. If you go in one direction with the car, the other area is going to suffer. That's just the way it works.

Now, considering that so many people use ride quality as a selling point for the IRS over the SRA, what do you think is going to happen if GM elects to improve its "virgin" IRS setup on the Camaro to obtain better handling characteristics? Most likely, the ride quality is going to suffer.

[syr74]

The irony here is that I think GM has their priorities right given the demographic the Camaro primarily appeals to. Put simply, I think most Camaro owners would rather talk about handling limits than actually explore them, and I likewise think that most Camaro owners would complain about a sob par ride long before they would fuss about understeer or numb steering.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by syr74

The irony here is that I think GM has their priorities right given the demographic the Camaro primarily appeals to. Put simply, I think most Camaro owners would rather talk about handling limits than actually explore them, and I likewise think that most Camaro owners would complain about a sub-par ride long before they would fuss about understeer or numb steering.

I'd say that is true for most of the Mustang GT demographic, as well.

[GTAHVIT]

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

GT500's are not "Cobra's" despite all the people who like to refer to them as such. I think that's because the Cobra was the top-tier factory Mustang for so many years and, since the GT500 now sits at the top, it was natural for people to put that label on them.

Or it could be the Cobra on the grill of the car.


Just sayin.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by meanmike

please tell me you have better things to do than post in mustang threads on a camaro website.....

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by syr74

I still don't understand this argument. Your basically complaining that it's somehow unfair to compare a well sorted live axle to an IRS. There is nothing special about the Track Pack other than it is a really well sorted piece. It rides more or less on par with the normal GT, and behaves like the daily driver it was meant to be when called upon to do so.

The other problem with the 'track special' argument is that every Mustang GT gets a revised version of the 2010 Track Pack suspension setup for 2011. The 19" wheels and summer tires aren't standard fare, but virtually everything from the 2011 TP setup else is...and of course they improved upon the design along with spreading it across the GT lineup.

It's just everyone takes it as surprise when a car that has a performance option to specifically made for reaching handling limits wins handling tests. What if the Camaro had a drag oriented pack that helped the Camaro in the strip, while the Mustang received no upgrades from the base model? Would it be a surprise that the Camaro's beefed-up IRS handled the acceleration better than the Mustang's live axle? Not at all. From a couple magazine articles, again most have different opinions, it seemed the Camaro was better suited as a daily driver instead of the track pack equipped GT.

However, it really doesn't matter which car handled better in the overall picture. The Camaro still takes every racing category in the 2010 MY, while the GT takes the crown of individual handling tests. Which one would you want on a track? The winner or the guy quoting his skipad numbers?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

I think we can all agree that the suspension under the 2010 Camaro is, like almost every production car built, a compromise between handling and ride quality. If you go in one direction with the car, the other area is going to suffer. That's just the way it works.

Now, considering that so many people use ride quality as a selling point for the IRS over the SRA, what do you think is going to happen if GM elects to improve its "virgin" IRS setup on the Camaro to obtain better handling characteristics? Most likely, the ride quality is going to suffer.

I agree, which why would the Camaro decrease the riding quality when it won the Road Course comparisons? Now it may have to offer a track pack like option for next year's new 2011 GT, but it is more than fine when compared to the 2010 GT.