and you thought your ticket was bad.....

[mcrizz]

Originally Posted by drtwo

I like the idea of income based fines. It seems that the less fortunate are always more affected by a ticket than the snotty rich guy that feels a ticket is pocket change. I guess this guy may think twice.

[QUOTE][A $150 speeding ticket is nothing for a millionaire and a ton of money for people living paycheck to paycheck! So it actually makes sense to charge a proportionately larger fine the more money you have in the bank. That way it hurts "equally" for everybody, haha. I mean you broke the law (by going way over the limit), you should get more than a slap on the wrist!
/QUOTE]

Well thats sufficient for my daily dose of socialism.

freakin nuts people

[two_wheel_mayhem]

Im sick of the whole "driving is a privelege thing" In this day and age its a necessity.

But anyways...lol..while we are using $3 words.

Driving is a learned skill, having a license is a privelege.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Tal

True but irrelevant.



A strong argument can be made along those lines when talking about taxes but if you are going to have monetary penalties for breaking laws it makes perfect sense to scale them relative to the individuals wealth. When they don't scale you have to choose between fines that are so small that they aren't a meaningful penalty to those with wealth or fines so large that even minor infractions will be unaffordable by those with less. It's exactly the same reason that the person's wealth is an important part of setting bail amounts.

Negative. What you propose is called "Tyarrany" and ideas like that are the sort of things that caused the colonies to break away from England and for this country.

Next thing you will propose is that all products be priced on a "Progressive" scale. You buy a Camaro and you're poor it costs $2000 but if you're rich you pay $2000000 for the same thing. Where do you STOP, once you introduce these ideas???

[Captain Awesome]

[QUOTE=mcrizz;1363826]

[A $150 speeding ticket is nothing for a millionaire and a ton of money for people living paycheck to paycheck! So it actually makes sense to charge a proportionately larger fine the more money you have in the bank. That way it hurts "equally" for everybody, haha. I mean you broke the law (by going way over the limit), you should get more than a slap on the wrist!
/QUOTE]

Well thats sufficient for my daily dose of socialism.

freakin nuts people

By that same logic we should make it a LAW that jail time for younger people should be scaled up over old people. A 75 year old child molester has a lot fewer years left than an 18 year old one does. Give the 18 year old 40 years in prison and 2 years for the elderly guy!

Whoo-hooo! Now we're so FAIR and COMPASSIONATE!

[brjray]

Take a look at how the taxes are setup here in the USA.. There is 30% missing out of every one of my checks yet I have friends and family that are being paid to sit at home and NOT ACCEPT JOB OFFERS BECAUSE THEY MAKE MORE MONEY ON UNEMPLOYMENT!!!! You should also see how many of them are working cash jobs on the side around here while still getting unemployment. It is sickening..

The top 5% of wage earners already pay 54% of the federal income taxes. How is that fair.



This is more of a problem to me at least. I can decide whether or not to do 85mph through a village. However, I cant tell Uncle Sam and his "Change" stealing cronies in DC to get out of my pocket. All I can do is vote on a different slug and hope that they might slide me back a piece of my pie.

Another sore spot for me comes from our government spending $24,000 to buy a $4500 clunker..... They should have just bought everyone V6 Camaro/Mustang/Challengers and let them keep their POS and had no admin costs of try to dispose of the things. At least then they would have been 100% domestic sold instead of 45% or whatever it ended up at....

Change... Brilliant!

[Russo]

Originally Posted by cab2g

A $150 speeding ticket is nothing for a millionaire and a ton of money for people living paycheck to paycheck! So it actually makes sense to charge a proportionately larger fine the more money you have in the bank. That way it hurts "equally" for everybody, haha. I mean you broke the law (by going way over the limit), you should get more than a slap on the wrist!

yet another way our government punish's success and rewards dysfunction...

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Sir Nuke

WELL, I posted the original thread TWO DAYS AGO.......30 minutes after it went public......hmmmmmm well I guess we peeons don't count, do we. NOT TO MENTION, my thread was put in the CORRECT FORUM.....OFF TOPIC.

LOL ..... Don't mess w/ Texas...

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by drtwo

I like the idea of income based fines. It seems that the less fortunate are always more affected by a ticket than the snotty rich guy that feels a ticket is pocket change. I guess this guy may think twice.

Pure socialism in the works here. You get punished not only in taxes based on how well off you are in life, but simple speeding fines are turned into huge profits for the bureaucrats. What should be done for the people having trouble paying a ticket, that they get offered some sort of flex-pay option based on their income, and if their unemployed, then part of their unemployment should be taken away but not enough to starve or kick someone out of their home. If you are that poor, I doubt you can afford car insurance let alone a car. But I'm just saying the rich in this case should simply have their license taken away for a few years if they are repeat offenders which is what we do here in the US.. That seems to work better since $290,000 is probably not going to hurt this millionaires or billionaires bottom line too much.

[billw501]

The socialist agenda coming through because of this post is amazing.

[billw501]

Sorry mods. No more politics....

[billw501]

I'm not a snotty rich guy, but I work hard for my money. This guy should NOT have been penalized more because he makes or has more. But that is Europe for you.

[billw501]

Damn, I'm starting to rant....

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by brjray

Another sore spot for me comes from our government spending $24,000 to buy a $4500 clunker..... They should have just bought everyone V6 Camaro/Mustang/Challengers and let them keep their POS and had no admin costs of try to dispose of the things. At least then they would have been 100% domestic sold instead of 45% or whatever it ended up at....

Change... Brilliant!

Speaking of Cash for Clunkers...

How many of you guys were aware that the cost to manufacture a new car in carbon emissions is higher than simply keeping an old clunker? Even if you get a super efficient Prius, you still cause more theoretical climate change than if you kept an old junker.

The carbon emissions of MAKING a prius is the equivalent to burning 1,000 gallons of gasoline. If you had a clunker that got 19MPG then you'd be able to go 19,000 more miles before you even made up for the manufacture of ONE prius.

You could have saved TONS of emissions if you had just driven your old clunker until it died.

[Tal]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Next thing you will propose is that all products be priced on a "Progressive" scale. You buy a Camaro and you're poor it costs $2000 but if you're rich you pay $2000000 for the same thing. Where do you STOP, once you introduce these ideas???

Supporting flat % based traffic fines is the same as supporting flat % based income taxes. Of course the rich will pay more since they make more, (15% of 1,000,000 is far more than 15% of 30,0000) where you get equality is by fining (and taxing) at the same percentage rate for all. That's hardly socialism, tyranny or any other such nonsense. Sure those that label themselves "progressive" would not want to stop at equality but would push for the wealthy to pay higher percentages and the poor lower percentages. The "progressives" also seek to expand equality in government far beyond government which is a dangerous and quick road towards tyranny. So you ask "where does it stop?", I say it stops dead cold the second you move beyond an equal percentage and/or beyond the government's direct responsibilities of national defense, infrastructure and a few other basics such as police, fire, and education services (particularly through HS/age 18), although even most of the basics are more state or lower responsibilites than national ones in my eyes. Hopefully I've clarified my view on this without moving things too political.