Question for the hunters/gun experts here...........

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by nova

Don't even consider a Desert Eagle .50AE. Big, heavy, and the gas operated rotating bolt action tends to be unreliable

Duly noted, good info

[Zeus]

Look at this crazy ass mofo lmao.

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by Windy City

That's a good example of an irresponsible a**hole! gave that gun to her knowing that, or something like that, would happen. Thus the video camera recording.
There is a lot of false bravado, or little man's disease floating around out there. Gives responsible gun ownership a bad name.
I think Zeus is slick enough to know what direction to go!

LOL I don't

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

LOL I don't

Just got off the phone with my friend Al Quazib.... Hookin me up with something called an.... RPG?

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Just got off the phone with my friend Al Quazib.... Hookin me up with something called an.... RPG?

naaah, I'd go with an AT4

[MrIcky]

LOL, how 'bout a throwing knife?

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

LOL, how 'bout a throwing knife?

I'd pay to see a guy take down a big grizzly with a throwing knife.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Look at this crazy ass mofo lmao.

Quoted for Awesomeness.

[nova]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

I have a feeling from what I've read from Windy City that he's put in a lot of time in Bear Country. I wouldn't discount what he's saying for loads.

If he's recommending glasers or shotshells, then I am going to blow it off because it defies the ballistics of both rounds along with the physical makeup of bears.

Read this test of glasers in ballistics gel...

http://www.brassfetcher.com/Brassfet...afety_Slug.pdf

Glasers against bare ballistics gel do not even meet the FBI penetration protocol for a consistent stop vs a human. They penetrate around 7.5" against bare flesh while the FBI protocol is 12", the minimum required to hit vitals.

Grizzly's are physically larger, their skin is tougher, their vitals are much deeper, their flesh is on average more dense and oh by the way they have a fat layer than can be up to 7" thick.

So if you shoot a grizzly with a glaser and IF you manage to penetrate the skin, you'll be lucky to make it through the fat layer, much less disrupt any vital systems and actually stop the bear.

If you take a head shot, the slug is just going to disintigrate against the thick skull. After seeing video of a Barnes solid in .30-06 bouncing off a grizzly skull, I have no doubt of this.

Long story short, you get turned into a bear snack.

A CCI shotshell is even worse because you don't even have the benefit of a jacket to keep the pellets together like the glaser does. You won't even break skin with that.

Given a choice between those, that aren't adequate for humans, and a round like the .500S&W that has been used to hunt cape buffalo and elephant, I'll take the .500...

Originally Posted by MrIcky

The locals will give you varying advice but a lot of them say exactly what Windy City said.

Then the locals are fools. Ballistic characteristics don't change based on what the target is. I've handloaded and sent enough rounds down range to know.

Originally Posted by MrIcky

My own experiences in Alaska tells me that you don't really want a gun with unusual ammunition. I would not want a .460 or .500 because I wouldn't want to have to delay fishing to find it.

Why would you have to stop to find ammo? Most airlines allow you to carry ammunition in checked baggage. Its not like you're going target shooting and need 1000 rounds on hand. A couple boxes is more than enough...

Originally Posted by MrIcky

I agree a handgun isn't ideal, but a .44 magnum is a good choice for a handgun. When you are standing in 3 feet of 35 degree water in waders you are going to be wondering where to strap the long-gun.

No argument there. Next to the .500, the .44 would be my second choice. The sharp recoil of the .454 is far too harsh. As odd as it sounds the .500 is easier to shoot than the .454.

For .44 I'd go in the 260-300gr range bonded JSP or hard cast....

500 cal handguns are made for guys who have insecurity issues!

You damn right I'm gonna feel insecure with a bear trying to snack on me. I want as much firepower and penetration as I can reasonably carry...

[Windy City]

Good luck Zeus!

[MrIcky]

I saw that, and then this was in the related section:



Look at the bars bend when the bear pulls her into it. I hear we taste more like pork than chicken.

Edit: and Nova, for the record- Im not discounting what you have to say, and I'm sure you know quite a bit about firearms. However I've spent literally months of my life in AK and other bear country around Yellowstone and the Frank Church River of No Return areas. Places where you actually see and deal with bears. Bears that are living on fish are just testing you unless you startle them. They are typically fat and happy- it's a territory thing, you relinquish and it's ok. Loading as Windy has suggested is what a lot of guides do. When I say 'local', I'm not talking about the guy at the Piggly Wiggly- I'm talking about the guys who earns his livelihood in the wilderness.

[nova]

If anybody wants to just go apeshit insane there's always the BFR in .450 Marlin

http://www.magnumresearch.com/BFR.asp

[nova]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

I saw that, and then this was in the related section:



Look at the bars bend when the bear pulls her into it. I hear we taste more like pork than chicken.

When I was about 18, I had the pleasure of passing through a taxidermy shop out in Montana. The guy specialized in bears, from rugs on up.

He had an old pickle jar sitting in the front of the store. It was full of flattened 12 guage slugs the guy had pulled outta bear carcasses. These were not the rounds that had downed the animal either, they were instances where the bear had been shot with a 12 guage slug and lived on for quite some time.

Somebody tell me again how a frangible round or a shotshell is the way to go...

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by nova

When I was about 18, I had the pleasure of passing through a taxidermy shop out in Montana. The guy specialized in bears, from rugs on up.

He had an old pickle jar sitting in the front of the store. It was full of flattened 12 guage slugs the guy had pulled outta bear carcasses. These were not the rounds that had downed the animal either, they were instances where the bear had been shot with a 12 guage slug and lived on for quite some time.

Somebody tell me again how a frangible round or a shotshell is the way to go...

think they were implying it would more scare the bear off than do harm to it. guess it depends on how pissed the bear is, but I wouldn't wanna take my chances.....