Cop driving stupidly kills 2 teens - Page 5

Hylton · 11-19-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Supermans

Someone stepping in front of a car that isn't speeding and just driving the speed limit without looking is an accidental death with no blame going towards the driver. If the driver is breaking the law and kills the same person stepping in front of the car without looking, the driver is fully to blame and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If you don't understand the difference between these two scenario's, I can't help you..

...and that's why the cop was properly charged with manslaughter. If you committed an act (legal or otherwise) which you could have avoided and that act ends up killing someone, you can easily be charged with manslaughter.

DropTheGloves · 11-19-2009, 11:15 AM

I didn't feel like reading the article, but the title explains it all. So I will give my thoughts on the matter.

Street racing is wrong, period. I am sure we have all either street raced, or sped at one point in our lives. On that night, it cost two kids their lives. What the cops did is unexcusable. Each one of them should be fired. The one should be charged for manslaughter, and the other with involuntary...I mean, after all, if that were an average day joe, that'd of been our charges. If you want to call it vehicular homicide, go ahead. I believe these cops should be hit hard with charges. Here they are suppose to be an example, yet what kind of example are they giving?

Cops enforce the law, but think they don't have to follow it, and that pisses me off. I don't know how many times I have been driving, and had a cop fly by me doing at least 70 or 80 in 45 zones.

Had it happen once when I was coming home from a hockey game. Was doing 60ish in a 55 zone, and they flew by me like I was standing still. No lights. Weaving in and out of traffic the whole time.

Like I said, these guys need to get hit hard. The chances of that are probably slim though, and that is unfortunate. Mind you, I am not a cop hater. I respect cops that actually do their job, and are decent people. Don't treat you like shit...but I have absolutely no respect for cops that don't do their job, talk smack, and have an attitude.

coolman · 11-19-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Supermans

Someone stepping in front of a car that isn't speeding and just driving the speed limit without looking is an accidental death with no blame going towards the driver. If the driver is breaking the law and kills the same person stepping in front of the car without looking, the driver is fully to blame and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If you don't understand the difference between these two scenario's, I can't help you..

What I'm talking about is not the law but common sense. If I see a car coming no matter what he's doing I avoid him. Then I cross the street. I can't say" oh well I can step out in front of him because he's speeding and breaking the law". Well, guess what that's still going to get me killed if a I step out. Same thing here with this crash.
All I'm trying to say is if the kids were paying attention and wouldn't have turned, the wreck wouldn't have happen. I not an Idiot I know the cop is going down for it and he should, but you can't say the kids didn't somewhat seal their on fate.

67 Convertible · 11-19-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by coolman

But, I believe from the way the video looks to me, the kids in the car were not looking when then turn or they thought they could beat the car that was coming. I don't know how you couldn't see a car racing down the road on a well lit street with it's head lights on with other cars coming also and not at least slow down to make sure nothing was coming before you turn.

It is my impression that if the police car was doing the speed limit, the kids would have had plenty of time to make the left turn and proceed, without the police car even having to slow down. From the video, there was plenty of distance between the headlights of the police car and the intersection, for them to look, assume the car coming was doing a normal speed, and manuver their turn without incident. Had that been you or I in a civilian car doing 90+ and causing that accident, we'd probably be in jail right now. Of course I have no facts except for the video, but by the video alone, cops definately 100% at fault.

IROCanSS · 11-19-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by coolman

What I'm talking about is not the law but common sense. If I see a car coming no matter what he's doing I avoid him. Then I cross the street. I can't say" oh well I can step out in front of him because he's speeding and breaking the law". Well, guess what that's still going to get me killed if a I step out. Same thing here with this crash.
All I'm trying to say is if the kids were paying attention and wouldn't have turned, the wreck wouldn't have happen. I not an Idiot I know the cop is going down for it and he should, but you can't say the kids didn't somewhat seal their on fate.

So mr. coolman. If you are driving and see a car WAY down the road, do you go or wait? I mean serioulsy? If the car is way down there, I go. Now if he is busting ass... WAY down there creeps up fast! I am sure he or she (teen driver) looked and saw the cars, WAY DOWN THE road and went. Well at double the speed limit, cars come up MUCH faster.

Lets paint another senerio... Youre on the interstate and want to get into the left lane. You look and see a car way back there so you change lanes... all of a sudden HOLY CRAP... where did this guy come from??

You can not judge speed from one look. You look, think its clear but its not.

FACE IT... its the cops fault. PERIOD. He was excessively speeding for no reason and killed two people. HIS FAULT. If he was obeying the law he is set to enforce, two kids would make it to Thanksgiving dinner next week.

coolman · 11-19-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 67 Convertible

It is my impression that if the police car was doing the speed limit, the kids would have had plenty of time to make the left turn and proceed, without the police car even having to slow down. From the video, there was plenty of distance between the headlights of the police car and the intersection, for them to look, assume the car coming was doing a normal speed, and manuver their turn without incident. Had that been you or I in a civilian car doing 90+ and causing that accident, we'd probably be in jail right now. Of course I have no facts except for the video, but by the video alone, cops definately 100% at fault.

I do agree with what your saying. Their would have been plenty of distance at a normal speed. But, as a driver you have to use caution all the time and not anticipate anything. I am not on the cops side at all on this. I just feel that if the kids were truly paying attention, they would have just watch that ass drive on by. One thing this should show all of us is that speeding is very dangerous and will effect many people when something goes wrong.

IROCanSS · 11-19-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 67 Convertible

It is my impression that if the police car was doing the speed limit, the kids would have had plenty of time to make the left turn and proceed, without the police car even having to slow down. From the video, there was plenty of distance between the headlights of the police car and the intersection, for them to look, assume the car coming was doing a normal speed, and manuver their turn without incident. Had that been you or I in a civilian car doing 90+ and causing that accident, we'd probably be in jail right now. Of course I have no facts except for the video, but by the video alone, cops definately 100% at fault.

yea, what he said.

67 Convertible · 11-19-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by coolman

All I'm trying to say is if the kids were paying attention and wouldn't have turned, the wreck wouldn't have happen.

And if the police car wasn't doing 90+mph. the wreck wouldn't have happened either.

IROCanSS · 11-19-2009, 11:40 AM

coolman... are you a cop?

PQ · 11-19-2009, 11:45 AM

There have been times where I allready was moving and hurried up and went. Never making it really close or anything but there have also been times where I was about to but had to slam em' on when I realized the oncoming was hauling ass. Usually results in a middle finger by me. You shouldn't assume the car is driving the posted speed limit but certainly can't be accountable if they are doing well over.

Go out on the interstate one day when there is no traffic and drive 95 mph and then slow down to 40. The difference is more than just half. There is an exponential difference in velocity. Just because you are doubling the mph doesn't mean you double the stopping distance or effects of a collision. You MORE than double it. MUCH more.

I'm sorry. IMO, had he been doing 40 or 45 mph, there would have been NO contact. prabably not even much more than a slight breaking by the cop. I bet the cop wouldn't have even pulled the car over had he been doing 40.

I gotta yeild to the AI guy on here though. He's obviously more experienced and qualified to audit the video.

coolman · 11-19-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 67 Convertible

And if the police car wasn't doing 90+mph. the wreck wouldn't have happened either.

I agree and I'm not saying that. It's hard to watch a video and know what the kids were seeing coming at them.When I watch it all I keep saying to myself is don't turn, don't turn. This hits extremely close to home for me in a way you guys don't know. I guess I would like to think in my own mind that their was something I could have done.

PQ · 11-19-2009, 11:53 AM

It's harder at night to judge depth perception and speed with oncoming headlights.

I hate it for the all of them. Cop and his family, Kids and their families.

This cop was not a bad person. Just made a really bad mistake.

coolman · 11-19-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PQ

It's harder at night to judge depth perception and speed with oncoming headlights.

I hate it for the all of them. Cop and his family, Kids and their families.

This cop was not a bad person. Just made a really bad mistake.

I agree, know one wins.

IROCanSS · 11-19-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PQ

This cop was not a bad person. Just made a really bad mistake.

Perfectly stated!

11-19-2009, 11:45 AM	#66
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,717 View My Garage	There have been times where I allready was moving and hurried up and went. Never making it really close or anything but there have also been times where I was about to but had to slam em' on when I realized the oncoming was hauling ass. Usually results in a middle finger by me. You shouldn't assume the car is driving the posted speed limit but certainly can't be accountable if they are doing well over. Go out on the interstate one day when there is no traffic and drive 95 mph and then slow down to 40. The difference is more than just half. There is an exponential difference in velocity. Just because you are doubling the mph doesn't mean you double the stopping distance or effects of a collision. You MORE than double it. MUCH more. I'm sorry. IMO, had he been doing 40 or 45 mph, there would have been NO contact. prabably not even much more than a slight breaking by the cop. I bet the cop wouldn't have even pulled the car over had he been doing 40. I gotta yeild to the AI guy on here though. He's obviously more experienced and qualified to audit the video. __________________

11-19-2009, 11:53 AM	#68
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,717 View My Garage	It's harder at night to judge depth perception and speed with oncoming headlights. I hate it for the all of them. Cop and his family, Kids and their families. This cop was not a bad person. Just made a really bad mistake. __________________

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11-19-2009, 11:15 AM	#58
DropTheGloves Account Suspended Drives: 2009 TT 335/2009 GSX-R 1000/ECT.. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 772	I didn't feel like reading the article, but the title explains it all. So I will give my thoughts on the matter. Street racing is wrong, period. I am sure we have all either street raced, or sped at one point in our lives. On that night, it cost two kids their lives. What the cops did is unexcusable. Each one of them should be fired. The one should be charged for manslaughter, and the other with involuntary...I mean, after all, if that were an average day joe, that'd of been our charges. If you want to call it vehicular homicide, go ahead. I believe these cops should be hit hard with charges. Here they are suppose to be an example, yet what kind of example are they giving? Cops enforce the law, but think they don't have to follow it, and that pisses me off. I don't know how many times I have been driving, and had a cop fly by me doing at least 70 or 80 in 45 zones. Had it happen once when I was coming home from a hockey game. Was doing 60ish in a 55 zone, and they flew by me like I was standing still. No lights. Weaving in and out of traffic the whole time. Like I said, these guys need to get hit hard. The chances of that are probably slim though, and that is unfortunate. Mind you, I am not a cop hater. I respect cops that actually do their job, and are decent people. Don't treat you like shit...but I have absolutely no respect for cops that don't do their job, talk smack, and have an attitude.

11-19-2009, 11:40 AM	#65
IROCanSS Account Suspended Drives: 89 IROC 350 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Back roads, southern Ohio Posts: 12,504 View My Garage	coolman... are you a cop?