Drone - Above Neighborhood

[rebelyell22]

Originally Posted by pickwithaustin

Wow, lot's of "keyboard warriors" here, LOL.

I saw a news article a week or two ago about a drone that was flying over a yard where a man's teen daughter's were out back sun bathing. The father saw the drone above them (observing them) and threw a towel into the propellers to bring it down.

The news reported the father was arrested and made liable for the cost of the drone device.

I'm not supporting drones, I think if they come on my property I should be able to oust them as well... but the law says otherwise and the keyboard warriors who would "throat punch" will find many days in confinement as a result, unfortunately. (or fortunately, maybe)

idgaf about them flying over my house. I just don't want one flying into me...

[Red2014SS]

Originally Posted by rebelyell22

1. Most RC planes are electric, hand launched, and can go miles high.
2. FPV

Maybe things are different in Mississippi. Around here, the majority of RC planes are kits made of balsa, they're gas powered and they've even got their own airfield. Some of them cost thousands of dollars. I was in the club for a couple of years.

I have seen some of the cheap, hand launched electric ones in the park. Every now and then, someone would bring one to the flying field. I don't know about miles high, but they get up there. They're a long way from being computer controlled drones.

[rebelyell22]

Originally Posted by Red2014SS

Maybe things are different in Mississippi. Around here, the majority of RC planes are kits made of balsa, they're gas powered and they've even got their own airfield. Some of them cost thousands of dollars. I was in the club for a couple of years.

I have seen some of the cheap, hand launched electric ones in the park. Every now and then, someone would bring one to the flying field. I don't know about miles high, but they get up there. They're a long way from being computer controlled drones.

Foamies are wayyyyyy more popular now, than balsa. Getting into the flight levels isn't difficult as long as your radio has the range for it.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Red2014SS

I think it's just a matter of time until some idiot uses a drone to hurt a bunch of people. It doesn't take much imagination to see how that could be done. At that point, there will be need to be new laws concerning their use.

[Tenring]

The one I saw was at night and now I am very concerned about the Owls.

How are the Owls supposed to hunt at night with this drone scaring the neighbors cats and small dogs back in their house. Something has to be done about this for the sake of the Owls.

[PHXLT1]

Originally Posted by ZED SLED

Airsoft Minigun

This rules!

[Donald]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ieyM1JmXJc

I see one hover over my property, I am finding a way to bring it down.

[VTSummit]

Originally Posted by Red2014SS

Maybe things are different in Mississippi. Around here, the majority of RC planes are kits made of balsa, they're gas powered and they've even got their own airfield. Some of them cost thousands of dollars. I was in the club for a couple of years.

I have seen some of the cheap, hand launched electric ones in the park. Every now and then, someone would bring one to the flying field. I don't know about miles high, but they get up there. They're a long way from being computer controlled drones.

Actually- I've been running a GPS autopilot in one of my planes for 10+ years. It can fly itself, carries cameras and could easily get to 20K feet well out of my sight.
The problem NOW is that they made them easy to fly and ready to go out of the box. Before those, you had to drop some serious money, know how to do it, have the skill to fly it... and with all those things usually filtered out the morons.

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by tajefe

I live in the flight path of a smaller airport that is also a training facility. I think if I started shooting up in the air I might lose more than my guns and rightfully so. People go to jail for pointing laser lights in the sky and you want to discharge your guns just up in the air because you can???? I thinking your confusing your right to bear arms with when you can and cannot discharge them.
As far as proof you don't think people are recording with the same device used to fly it.
It's people acting that way that will cost us our rights.
Just trying to understand your logic???

Let me get out my slide projector and put it up on the wall. I'm a very reasonable person. If someone flies a drone over my house and I know who they are, I'll kindly ask them to refrain from doing it again. If they do it again, then I'd consider they are now provoking/threatening me with it. Trust me, I'm not confusing my gun rights as far as it concerns my property.

1) I live in the south. In the country. On a good amount of property. Near an outdoor gun-range.

2) I live away from buildings, population, and airports. I am not in a gun-free zone. If I lived in town, I would be extremely cognizant of my surroundings and the potential for collateral damage. But I'm far from your typical confederate flag-waving, 4-wheel-driving, gun-toting goober. But yeah, if I want to go outside and fire a gun in the air, I can. You should see it around here on New Year's Eve night at midnight. (I use blanks, but I'm betting some of my idiot neighbors use live rounds)

2) I can legally hunt deer, rabbits, etc., and shoot anywhere on my land. Including into the sky to shoot ducks. Or anything I think looks like a duck.

3) If someone flies ANYTHING around my home, they're not doing it by accident. There's a reason (and likely not an innocent one) because of where my house is located on my land. A drone flying by, non-stop, ONE time going somewhere else doesn't bother me.

4) If I feel threatened, I can legally defend my property against all threats and I can use any weapon, including a gun, to defend myself, my family, and my property. This includes any human threat. In my state, you do NOT have to be inside my house to have a problem.

5) If they are video recording while on my property, then they come under the same rules as the home video camera rules, which means you cannot deliberately point it at your neighbor's house or property (as in an attempt to spy). Incidental coverage doesn't count. Thus by deliberately flying over my property, they violate my privacy and are breaking the law. So showing video to the police or whatnot only would prove they were trespassing. And to actually record me shooting the drone means you were pointing the drone/camera at me, in a threatening manner. Is there also a gun on the drone? I cannot take that chance. I think my home video system probably would show me shooting at a threat.

6) I don't care about drones/helicopters, whatever you want to call it. Fly them. I'm sure they're fun hobby like anything else. But you have no right to fly them over my property in a manner I feel is threatening to me or my family.

7) I don't go willy-nilly firing my guns. But I won't put up with any large buzzing insects hovering over my property, either.

[Red2014SS]

Originally Posted by VTSummit

Actually- I've been running a GPS autopilot in one of my planes for 10+ years. It can fly itself, carries cameras and could easily get to 20K feet well out of my sight.
The problem NOW is that they made them easy to fly and ready to go out of the box. Before those, you had to drop some serious money, know how to do it, have the skill to fly it... and with all those things usually filtered out the morons.

That sucks. It's been years since I was into it. It led to me getting my pilot's license and flying real airplanes. Once that got too expensive, I gave up all flying and sold all of my RC equipment. I'm sad to hear this news. Used to be, you spent months building a plane, then needed real skill to fly it. All of your hard work could vanish with one wrong move of the stick.

[VTSummit]

"in a threatening manner" is the part I have an issue with. It's not likely you'll have someone scouting out your house well onto your private rural property with ill intent.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by VTSummit

You don't own the air above your house.
I've been putting cameras on RC planes for years- but NOW people are losing their minds.

That's not exactly true...

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/fed.../256/case.html

This case was from 1946, and someone already mentioned it briefly. It doesn't really cover civilian aircraft (and it's more of a 5th Amendment issue than a "privacy" issue), but you can be fairly confident that precedent is long established.

A couple of notable snippets:

(a) The common law doctrine that ownership of land extends to the periphery of the universe has no place in the modern world. Pp. 328 U. S. 260-261.

Meaning that yes, you do not own the air above your property all the way to the next galaxy. However

d) Flights of aircraft over private land which are so low and frequent as to be a direct and immediate interference with the enjoyment and use of the land are as much an appropriation of the use of the land as a more conventional entry upon it. Pp. 328 U. S. 261-262, 328 U. S. 264-267.

Again, this has to do with military aircraft flying too low over the land, but that would be the precedent set.

Since the court ruled in favor of the plaintiff (the owner of the property), it does imply that the airspace above the property WAS owned by the property holder. If not, there would have been no ground for a taking of property lawsuit, and the case would not been ruled in the plaintiff's favor.

[el ess A]

Not sure what you would have an issue with, VT. How would you react it if your house was scouted out by drones hovering in your yard? You would say "oh, they're not up to anything." I'm not believing that.

I'm not a violent or kill-happy person, and this is all hypothetical banter anyway. I'm just saying how I might perceive a drone I did not invite onto my property hovering around my house while over my property. If you don't like that or how I perceive things, ok- noted. We all have our different levels of awareness.

[VTSummit]

I'm an extremely "aware" person, a sheepdog kinda guy. But to instantly feel threatened by something like that is, at least in my opinion, kinda paranoid.
Is it threatening? Not in my opinion. Annoying? Yes, probably so. Is someone casing your house to violate you or your family somehow? Not likely.