Has anyone fought a traffic ticket from a cop hiding on private property.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by kalimus

uhm no. a cop may not park in my driveway and run radar, whether he blocks it or otherwise.

Actually unless you inform them not to they can under implied consent laws in most areas.
I do know around here if it's a private residence police officers are supposed to ask the property owner if it's ok before setting up for either a stake out or traffic enforcement. Most business owners though welcome police on their property, unless they are doing something they shouldn't.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Actually unless you inform them not to they can under implied consent laws in most areas.
I do know around here if it's a private residence police officers are supposed to ask the property owner if it's ok before setting up for either a stake out or traffic enforcement. Most business owners though welcome police on their property, unless they are doing something they shouldn't.

I've never lived in an area where it was ok for a cop to do that. Private business, I've seen that. Personal property that is a residence... hell no.

[jcamaro37f]

Originally Posted by kalimus

I've never lived in an area where it was ok for a cop to do that. Private business, I've seen that. Personal property that is a residence... hell no.

I have here in CA. there was a house at the bottom of a hill people used to speed down that they'd park at


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[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by kalimus

I've never lived in an area where it was ok for a cop to do that. Private business, I've seen that. Personal property that is a residence... hell no.

How do you know its not OK in your area for them to do it? Just because you have never seen it done does not mean they cannot do it with permission from the property owner.
I have never seen a baby pigeon either but I know they must exist..

[garyw]

Originally Posted by black.

No victim no crime. Ask for the injuried party to bring a verified claim in through the court. Injuried party=State of California, so put State of California on the stand and have them swear under oath and affirmation that you have cause them harm or injury to their person or property. I dont know about you but I don't know a lot of people with the name State of California. We still live under a common law court system.

well, we can tell someone is not a lawyer, lol.

if he was standing there watching you rob the bank, he would say, oh well, u got away with it?

he can be there.

[rray]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Maybe you should move to Iraq if it's so bad here.

Its bad everywhere. And its the US as the reason its bad in Iraq. Those that purchased our government, purchased our military to prevent Iraq from ditching the dollar. Those that are brainwashed into fighting a war there, believe they are fighting for the US. Yes we need a military, and those guys are heroes, but not all our leaders are telling the truth. The US dollar is what determines right or wrong, war or peace, lie or truth, morality or corruption. How did you improve the quality of life in Iraq?


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[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by rray

Its bad everywhere. And its the US as the reason its bad in Iraq. Those that purchased our government, purchased our military to prevent Iraq from ditching the dollar. Those that are brainwashed into fighting a war there, believe they are fighting for the US. Yes we need a military, and those guys are heroes, but not all our leaders are telling the truth. The US dollar is what determines right or wrong, war or peace, lie or truth, morality or corruption. How did you improve the quality of life in Iraq?


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Let's not turn this into politics. Basically I was implying if you don't like the way the law is here go somewhere else and try theirs for a while. Maybe you will find its not as bad here as you think.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

How do you know its not OK in your area for them to do it? Just because you have never seen it done does not mean they cannot do it with permission from the property owner.
I have never seen a baby pigeon either but I know they must exist..

I've seen a picture of bigfoot but that doesn't mean he exists

And yes, they can do it with permission. But they can't just decide "I'm gonna sit in your driveway and pick off speeders" all by themselves. They sure as hell aren't supposed to anyway. Trespassing applies to cops without legitimate reason as well, and setting up a radar point is not legitimate.

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by kalimus

uhm no. a cop may not park in my driveway and run radar, whether he blocks it or otherwise.

Originally Posted by kalimus

I've never lived in an area where it was ok for a cop to do that. Private business, I've seen that. Personal property that is a residence... hell no.

Originally Posted by kalimus

And yes, they can do it with permission. But they can't just decide "I'm gonna sit in your driveway and pick off speeders" all by themselves. They sure as hell aren't supposed to anyway. Trespassing applies to cops without legitimate reason as well, and setting up a radar point is not legitimate.

Actually doing this falls under the state's right of way laws. All 50 states have a section in the general statute that dictates what their right of way is and how far it extends from the public road way. As long as the officer is within that boundary they can legally be there whether it is in a parking lot, drive way, or even on your front lawn. It is also not considered trespassing by law unless you can prove they are outside that boundary.

For example, NC's right of way is 25' from the edge of the road. As long as they are within 25' of the road they can not legally be forced to move unless they are blocking access to something or damaging the property.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by nevrenz

Its traffic violation. You broke the law regardless if you think your not harming someone or something. Example: Sign reads Maximum speed 35MPH. You are doing 55MPH, you are now breaking the law. The maximum speed for the road you are traveling on has been determined SAFE at 35MPH, anything over that speed is now putting yourself and others in danger. The posted speed limits are there not as suggestions. They are there to keep a SAFE speed.

Horseshit.

Determined "safe" by who?

Again (and this will get angry bird ruffled up again)....

The safest road is the autobahn. I don't complain about the "traffic laws". I get stopped I pay the ticket. I fully understand and accept the consequences for my actions. Just got one in GA in May....I'm a super speeder. $450....hell on the ticket in the comments it said "driver admitted he was speeding"...and I did.

But speeding tickets are nothing more than revenue generators and really don't serve any purpose other than that.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

Horseshit.

Determined "safe" by who?

Again (and this will get angry bird ruffled up again)....

The safest road is the autobahn. I don't complain about the "traffic laws". I get stopped I pay the ticket. I fully understand and accept the consequences for my actions. Just got one in GA in May....I'm a super speeder. $450....hell on the ticket in the comments it said "driver admitted he was speeding"...and I did.

But speeding tickets are nothing more than revenue generators and really don't serve any purpose other than that.

A little (and I do mean little) research will help you determine how speed limits are set.

http://www.motorists.org/speed-limit...setting-limits

Are there speed traps? Sure. We had one near the GM Tech Center where on Mound Rd. the speed limit went from 45 to 35 for a short stretch and the LEOs would just sit in the CHURCH PARKING LOT (lol) and pull people over that didn't see the sign and reduce speed for that 100 yards. Heck they didn't even ask for license or registration. Just handed out tickets. Absolutely money generation on that one.

Does your local government gain revenue from tickets? You bet. And one way to look at is just another tax to put money in the budget.

But to state a speed limit does nothing more than generate revenue? Seriously? You think that because YOU determine it's safe you can run 80 in a subdivision which the studies would indicate should be 20 or 25? You are that good and that capable to avoid a child running in the street or a car that IS NOT watching for you to be going 80 suddenly back out of there driveways? There are very good reasons for most speed limits and why they are set. You may not agree, but it isn't randomly done and isn't done by sitting down and seeing how much money they can get.

This conversation is getting sillier and sillier.

I've been ticketed a few times. Challenged one and had it reduced because, in this case the officer could not have possibly determined my speed. Yep spun my tires, he saw it from 3 cars back in the intersection. Guilty. But he added speeding which I challenged because I wasn't. I've been let off many more times than ticketed. Was actually let off 2 times in a 12 hour stretch driving a Corvette. First stop was in Kentucky on I75 and the other once I got home. Cops aren't just running around trying to get money from you. You just happened to give them the opportunity.

So it isn't just about the money.

I also doubt the officer was "hiding". More likely, like most LEOs he was pulled off the to the side where you couldn't see him.

You were speeding. Quit trying to somehow make yourself right. Pay your ticket and move on with life.

And by the way, the next level argument using everyone's logic here is that STOP signs and RED LIGHTS don't actually mean stop. They too are just revenue generation ideas. LOL

Oh and for that Autobahn? It's pretty well regulated. And if get in an accident you are more than likely dead. Those statistics you can also confirm............with a little research.

[richard200593]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

Horseshit.

Determined "safe" by who?

Again (and this will get angry bird ruffled up again)....

The safest road is the autobahn. I don't complain about the "traffic laws". I get stopped I pay the ticket. I fully understand and accept the consequences for my actions. Just got one in GA in May....I'm a super speeder. $450....hell on the ticket in the comments it said "driver admitted he was speeding"...and I did.

But speeding tickets are nothing more than revenue generators and really don't serve any purpose other than that.

I completely see where your coming from with this mindset and for you you may be smart enough to acknowledge a "safe speed" that is over what the law says is safe and more power to you. But IMO one main reason speed limits are in place is for the 16 year old kid that is still learning to drive and without them would go flying 100 mph thru a school zone. Most of us are smart enough that we could live safely without them but there are a handful that need that "limit" or they would cause danger to others.

As far as the op: If you can find a loophole to get out of paying a ticket by all means use it. This would be the same circumstance as if the cop wrote incorrect information on your ticket and you tried to get out of it. Yes you were in the wrong but if you can get away with it why not at least try. As to rather or not you will succeed I have no idea

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by Number 3

A little (and I do mean little) research will help you determine how speed limits are set.

http://www.motorists.org/speed-limit...setting-limits

Are there speed traps? Sure.

Does your local government gain revenue from tickets? You bet. And one way to look at is just another tax to put money in the budge.

But to state a speed limit does nothing more than generate revenue? Seriously? You think that because YOU determine it's safe you can run 80 in a subdivision which the studies would indicate should be 20 or 25? You are that good and that capable to avoid a child running in the street or a car that IS NOT watching for you to be going 80 suddenly back out of there driveways?

This conversation is getting sillier and sillier.

I've been ticketed a few times. Challenged one and had it reduced because, in this case the officer could not have possibly determined my speed. Yep spun my tires, he saw it from 3 cars back in the intersection. Guilty. But he added speeding which I challenged because I wasn't. I've been let off many more times than ticketed. Was actually let off 2 times in a 12 hour stretch driving a Corvette. First stop was in Kentucky on I75 and the other once I got home. Cops aren't just running around trying to get money from you. You just happened to give them the opportunity.

So it isn't just about the money.

I also doubt the officer was "hiding". More likely, like most LEOs he was pulled off the to the side where you couldn't see him.

You were speeding. Quit trying to somehow make yourself right. Pay your ticket and move on with life.

And by the way, the next level argument using everyone's logic here is that STOP signs and RED LIGHTS don't actually mean stop. They too are just revenue generation ideas. LOL

Oh and for that Autobahn? It's pretty well regulated. And if get in an accident you are more than likely dead. Those statistics you can also confirm............with a little research.

First I don't need research on the autobahn. I lived in Munich....but thanks.

Second, yes you are correct with regards to neighborhoods and my statement was too broad. I should have made my statement a little more clear. Speed limits on highways are nothing more than revenue generators.

If LEO's are truly trying to deter speeding, then they would be in plain sight with their lights turned on. Tell me, when you see an officer like described, what do you do? You slow down and it doesn't matter if you are going the speed limit or not. You slow down.

But no they don't do that because again they are trying to generate revenue. Hence the "super speeder" "law" in GA. So if I'm going 84 I'm not a "super speeder" but that 1 more mph makes all the difference.

http://www.dds.ga.gov/faqs/index.aspx?faqcategoryid=34

Again nothing more than a revenue generator. And, again, don't misunderstand, I do understand those are the laws and if I break them I pay the fine and move on. I'm accountable for my actions.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by richard200593

I completely see where your coming from with this mindset and for you you may be smart enough to acknowledge a "safe speed" that is over what the law says is safe and more power to you. But IMO one main reason speed limits are in place is for the 16 year old kid that is still learning to drive and without them would go flying 100 mph thru a school zone. Most of us are smart enough that we could live safely without them but there are a handful that need that "limit" or they would cause danger to others.

Agreed about the above and if you see my post above this one you will see I amended it to state highways.

Also I don't think 16 is an appropriate age to be able to drive. We are one of the few countries that have this "law". Most countries you have to be 18. My son was not allowed to drive, by himself, until he was 18.

And again, driving, as a privilege and the responsibility that comes along with it, is not taken as seriously here as it is in say Europe. If people treated the work that is driving with the diligence they did say, keeping a loaded firearm in the house, the roads would be a lot safer and this would make much more of an impact than a "speed limit". Taking responsibility.....