Dodge reveals Hellcat Charger - Page 5

motorhead · 08-13-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Too bad something like THIS wasn't more carefully considered:

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/s...312-2fx4q.html

That wouldn't have matter for me if they did. That would have been too expensive for normal people to buy. You have to remember, that is the other piece to this dodge puzzle. These are also much more affordable cars and by far the most affordable dollar per HP of any car you can purchase.

rocket403 · 08-13-2014, 03:14 PM

I think that GM will wait and see how the market responds to the Hellcat Charger, if Dodge is selling 3-4k Chargers and 3-4k Challengers GM may change their tune of Camaro and SS and not giving them the better Vette engine.

Only question would be could GM hit the price point with the SS.

SpeedIsLife · 08-13-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

That's because the Europeans restrict theirs to 155. An unrestricted Panamera Turbo S will top that. AMG might have something, too, if unrestricted.

Hard to outrun a 2-way, regardless of what it's housed in.

Helloooo, Alpha.

Hellcat Charger at 4560 lbs., on 275 tires?

Z06 @ 3600 lbs. on 325 tires?

No wait...the Charger's aero advantage FTW!

Well, since the Challenger and Charger now out-1/4-mile the Viper, the Mopar folks are getting feisty...for the first time in a very l-o-n-g time...

Too bad the rest of the cars weren't similarly upgraded to more suitably handle all that power...

Pete, why aren't they factory-offered? The car is MORE than HALF-FAST...but the underpinnings required to "direct connect" the power are HALF-ASSED.

"Headlines" vs. Budget/Selling Price?

The 2014 Panamera Turbo S has a top speed of 192, not 200+.

The Viper may be equal in the 1/4 but it is much faster on a twisty track and has a higher official top speed of 206.

Dodge fans need top stop comparing the Hellcat twins to the new Z06. That is a fight they should not pick.

That being said when compared to vehicles in their own class, ZL1 and CTS/SS then the fight is fair.

Do not forget it was us GM fans who were crowing in the ZL1 vs SRT 392 comparison even tho the ZL1 was $10,000 more because the 392 was "Dodges top dog like the ZL1".

The tables have turned and Dodge is on the rise and winning. We cannot hang out hats on magnetic ride suspension, it is nice but expensive and in the real world, day to day life the SRT 3 mode suspension is just as nice.

motorhead · 08-13-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The 2014 Panamera Turbo S has a top speed of 192, not 200+.

The Viper may be equal in the 1/4 but it is much faster on a twisty track and has a higher official top speed of 206.

Dodge fans need top stop comparing the Hellcat twins to the new Z06. That is a fight they should not pick.

That being said when compared to vehicles in their own class, ZL1 and CTS/SS then the fight is fair.

Do not forget it was us GM fans who were crowing in the ZL1 vs SRT 392 comparison even tho the ZL1 was $10,000 more because the 392 was "Dodges top dog like the ZL1".

The tables have turned and Dodge is on the rise and winning. We cannot hang out hats on magnetic ride suspension, it is nice but expensive and in the real world, day to day life the SRT 3 mode suspension is just as nice.

Very well put and all true. Great post.

oklapike · 08-13-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket403

I think that GM will wait and see how the market responds to the Hellcat Charger, if Dodge is selling 3-4k Chargers and 3-4k Challengers GM may change their tune of Camaro and SS and not giving them the better Vette engine.

Only question would be could GM hit the price point with the SS.

I think this is what infuriates me the most about GM, they always 'wait and see'. GM could have done so much more with the SS sedan. GM could have given us SS versions of the Cruze or Sonic, or both. We see how that's turned out. I'm not a fan of Dodge, but I do have to admire their philosophy when it comes to the Hellcat Charger. Sometimes you gotta say 'screw it' and build it anyway, and establish the business case, rather than the other way around.

URBAN LEGEND · 08-13-2014, 04:19 PM

A lot of Chevy guys need to get used to seeing Dodge taillights.

Rwarchol · 08-13-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

If FI makes it into the SS I bet it will be the LT4, not the LSA

Except that HSV already makes the "SS" with an LSA:

http://www.hsv.com.au/Gen-F/see/GTS/

oklapike · 08-13-2014, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

A lot of Chevy guys need to get used to seeing Dodge taillights.

For now at least. I'm confident that Chevy will answer the Hellcat Challenger with an LT4-powered ZL1, but who knows about a four-door? I'd love it if GM surprised us and put the LS9 in the SS sedan for it's final model year, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by Rwarchol

Except that HSV already makes the "SS" with an LSA:

http://www.hsv.com.au/Gen-F/see/GTS/

Yup, the only way we'd see any LT engine in an SS sedan is if GM builds a second-gen on Alpha.

Col. Brain · 08-13-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The 2014 Panamera Turbo S has a top speed of 192, not 200+.

The Viper may be equal in the 1/4 but it is much faster on a twisty track and has a higher official top speed of 206.

Dodge fans need top stop comparing the Hellcat twins to the new Z06. That is a fight they should not pick.

That being said when compared to vehicles in their own class, ZL1 and CTS/SS then the fight is fair.

Do not forget it was us GM fans who were crowing in the ZL1 vs SRT 392 comparison even tho the ZL1 was $10,000 more because the 392 was "Dodges top dog like the ZL1".

The tables have turned and Dodge is on the rise and winning. We cannot hang out hats on magnetic ride suspension, it is nice but expensive and in the real world, day to day life the SRT 3 mode suspension is just as nice.

Viper vs Corvette
SRT Challenger vs ZL1
SRT Charger vs SS

The Viper is dead. The TA is fast for a bone stock car and slightly quicker than the outgoing ZR1 so for now it is king.

The Challenger is quicker in the 1/4 but nothing indicates it can go around corners.

The Charger vs SS IMO is the real muscle car battle.

But at the end of the day - the SRT cars ECU/PCM etc will be locked. Mopar will provide no assistance and the top executives will spew bull shit about EPA and legality etc.

GM and Ford pretty much whore out their new performance stuff so that consumers can make the car "theirs" so to speak.

A stock performance car is only fun for so long.

Now unless SRT learned a lesson with the Viper - i fully expect these Hellcats to be locked down. The aftermarket making it a labor of love to hack into them so they can be tuned. All the while the new Camaros and Caddy Vs and even the Z06s will be out on the road with all sorts of tuners and parts to make not only 708hp but 800hp, 900hp, 1000hp etc.

I love me some of this new Dodge/SRT stuff. Id easily take a Viper over the new Z06 if the aftermarket parts selection were equal. But they are not. And SRT/Dodge seem to be just fine by that.

Maybe I can convince my wife to buy a Charger Hellcat for her daily driver. But for a performance enthusiast - its nice but kind of pointless if you want more.

shine2013 · 08-13-2014, 05:02 PM

That front grille though, why? Everything else is perfect.

LOWDOWN · 08-13-2014, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The 2014 Panamera Turbo S has a top speed of 192, not 200+.

One more reason for "headlines"

The Viper may be equal in the 1/4 but it is much faster on a twisty track and has a higher official top speed of 206.

As it should be...for $100K+...otherwise Viper sales would plunge...oh wait!

Dodge fans need [to] stop comparing the Hellcat twins to the new Z06. That is a fight they should not pick.

20-20 eyesight, I see.

That being said when compared to vehicles in their own class, ZL1 and CTS/SS then the fight is fair.

For a "One Trick Clydesdale", pulling in a straight line

Do not forget it was us GM fans...

Your post history would dispute this "inclusive" statement...

The tables have turned and Dodge is on the rise and winning.

'Bout damn time. Where've you guys been for the last 4 years? MIA. And now, for a very brief moment, you've invaded all manner of Competitive enthusiast sites to:

1) Bang a drum that's been silent a very long time, and

2) $ave Dodge from $pending money on advertising, trying to squire away interest to your camp, all in an attempt to make this model, to be sold in meagre numbers as promoted, a "profitable" addition to dodge's fine tradition of QUALITY, INDUSTRY-LEADING CARS AND TRUCKS.

Good Luck with that...

joeybsyc · 08-13-2014, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lgndryhr

As impressive as it is I still want a 2015+ SS sedan.

Said (almost) no one ever.

motorhead · 08-13-2014, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by joeybsyc

Said (almost) no one ever.

That's why I couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger on one a few weeks back. While I really like the interior, how well it drove and the performance of the drivetrain, I still can't get past the very tame looks. It's not as bad in person, but my wife put it best in saying that it looks like a car that a pap would drive.

I tend to agree.

tones2SS · 08-13-2014, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by c5Legend

wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

so DAMN sexy
I want it now!!

^^I agree. That is one awesome car.
Too bad no AWD option.

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08-13-2014, 03:14 PM	#58
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	I think that GM will wait and see how the market responds to the Hellcat Charger, if Dodge is selling 3-4k Chargers and 3-4k Challengers GM may change their tune of Camaro and SS and not giving them the better Vette engine. Only question would be could GM hit the price point with the SS.

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shine2013 Drives: 2008 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Memphis Posts: 378	That front grille though, why? Everything else is perfect.